Pilots will become irrelevant in the US domestic market

[Poahi]

This article was posted in the Majors forum but has greater impact here.

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US regional growth could hinge on major airline labor negotiations
Thursday March 11, 2010

The current round of pilot negotiations at US major network airlines "will be the most important since deregulation" and could determine the future growth path for the regional airline segment, according to William Swelbar, a research engineer at MIT's International Center for Air Transportation.

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Source: http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=19663

 

[bluefin]

If I read it correctly it stated, "MAINLINE PILOTS" would be irrelevant if scope continues to be reduced or eliminated.

 

[Poahi]

If I read it correctly it stated, "MAINLINE PILOTS" would be irrelevant if scope continues to be reduced or eliminated.

Right, that's because they will ensure regional pilots will do the flying.

 

[wms]

As long as there are markets that only support regional jets, there will be regional jets. ML MEC's need to realize you can't negotiate 100 seat airplanes into 50 seat markets and make money. If ML MECs want that flying then they need to integrate all regional ops into their companies.

 

[maxcackel]

Or demand that mainline does all flying 76 seats and up even at or near the regional rate or this industry for pilots will be screwed.

 

[johnsonrod]

Right, that's because they will ensure regional pilots will do the flying.

They will what? I have a feeling most mainline pilots are aware of this, and they will not just "go for the money" while giving away scope. There is a 76 seat limit now, and unless there are more BKs, I don't think it will go higher. Heck, I want out of my joint and into a better life. They better not give it up!

 

[Snapperhead]

They will what? I have a feeling most mainline pilots are aware of this, and they will not just "go for the money" while giving away scope. There is a 76 seat limit now, and unless there are more BKs, I don't think it will go higher. Heck, I want out of my joint and into a better life. They better not give it up!

Exactly.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

As long as there are markets that only support regional jets, there will be regional jets. ML MEC's need to realize you can't negotiate 100 seat airplanes into 50 seat markets and make money. If ML MECs want that flying then they need to integrate all regional ops into their companies.

You mean like DFW-IAD? Or MCO-DFW?

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Or demand that mainline does all flying 76 seats and up even at or near the regional rate or this industry for pilots will be screwed.

Wrong. If it's a jet it needs to be mainline. Let the kiddos play with the T-props.

 

[wms]

I would like to see all jets at ML. I'd rather fly an RJ as entry-level equipment to move up from than as the upper-limit of my company.

 

[Poahi]

They will what? I have a feeling most mainline pilots are aware of this, and they will not just "go for the money" while giving away scope. There is a 76 seat limit now, and unless there are more BKs, I don't think it will go higher. Heck, I want out of my joint and into a better life. They better not give it up!

I hope you are right, but if history is a guide, the career expectations of regional pilots are about to change.

 

[RJLoser]

I'd gladly go back to a turbo scooter if mainline would keep all the jet jobs there. I want out of here.

 

[buscap]

Wrong. If it's a jet it needs to be mainline. Let the kiddos play with the T-props.

Stupid

Stupid

Stupid

When will you guys learn. It's the brand of flying which needs to be scoped in-house at mainline, not the equipment. The only solution which will guarantee this doesn't all happen again is scope which keeps every pilot seat within the brand on a single seniority list.

Suck it up in one big merge and reap the benefits of complete control.

Take just the "nice" big regional equipment and you will only fight this battle over and over for the rest of your careers.

Take all the planes and pilots , including the kiddy planes, and you will have yourselves a level of control which will force the payscales and QOL up.

Just keep one single off-the-seniority-list regional flying and you will only be back where you started.

 

[Twisted Mind]

exactly an airplane is an airplane no matter where the power comes from they all belong at the mainline level!

 

[CX880]

Well Trans States Holdings ordered not 10, not 20, but 100 MRJs and with no partners. They obviously see the future with lots of 70-120 seat RJs flying around.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

As long as there are markets that only support regional jets, there will be regional jets. ML MEC's need to realize you can't negotiate 100 seat airplanes into 50 seat markets and make money. If ML MECs want that flying then they need to integrate all regional ops into their companies.

Spoken like a true IDIOT. The 50 seat jets don't make money they dont make money GET IT???? They are a jet, you need a turboprop. As far getting 100 seaters...DC9-10, Fokker 100 etc were around long before you little boy. We ARE going to get 71+ seaters on the mainline property you little snot too bad. Enjoy your regional lifestyle.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Well Trans States Holdings ordered not 10, not 20, but 100 MRJs and with no partners. They obviously see the future with lots of 70-120 seat RJs flying around.

FLying for who, where? The arrogance and STUPIDITY on this board is stifling. It truly is the inexperienced regional board...BARF

 

[Nindiri]

We ARE going to get 71+ seaters on the mainline property you little snot too bad. Enjoy your regional lifestyle.

<snicker> :laugh: I've been hearing that boast for over ten years.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I would like to see all jets at ML. I'd rather fly an RJ as entry-level equipment to move up from than as the upper-limit of my company.

Would you fly an RJ at ML at regional wages? What about benefits?

 

[Raskal]

Stupid

Stupid

Stupid

When will you guys learn. It's the brand of flying which needs to be scoped in-house at mainline, not the equipment. The only solution which will guarantee this doesn't all happen again is scope which keeps every pilot seat within the brand on a single seniority list.

Suck it up in one big merge and reap the benefits of complete control.

Take just the "nice" big regional equipment and you will only fight this battle over and over for the rest of your careers.

Take all the planes and pilots , including the kiddy planes, and you will have yourselves a level of control which will force the payscales and QOL up.

Just keep one single off-the-seniority-list regional flying and you will only be back where you started.

Holy crap...making sense on the reginal forum?? Put the keyboard down and back away.

Well said :beer: