Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

Pilot bill passes house

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web
Register   Log in
but it dosen't say anything
 
According to this, it requires both pilots to hold an ATP (you could get it through your initial training with the airline, if you have the hours.)
 
Anything that raises the requirements is a good thing. Can't wait to see the final language on how much "classroom time" can be put toward the requirements.

But at least the wonder-children and their 400 hours TT from the pilot factories will have to find regular work!
 
Smarta$$ said:
You want a bill that ALPA helped influence to help you with an avatar like that?

I do hope it becomes law WITH the 1500 hour requirement. It is rediculous to argue otherwise.
Click to expand...

Don't worry, ALPA is ready to endorse MPL. Heaven forbid we get any barriers to entry for our profession so the regional guys can negotiate a liveable wage.
 
I will bet there is some sort of an exception for ERAU!

You cannot expect little kids to empty out their trust funds and then have to find an "actual job" like flight instructing for a couple of years, can you? That would be so beneath them-plus most of their grandpappys are senators.
 
Don't worry, ALPA is ready to endorse MPL.
Click to expand...

Speaking of the devil (MPL)... will it be like in Euroland that it binds you only to one type and one airline? So what if your airline goes t!tts up? How can you expect good dicision- making skills with this type of license?
 
crj567 said:
I will bet there is some sort of an exception for ERAU!
Click to expand...
Excellent! Now you won't have to keep giving out $5 BJ's to pay for your tuition!

You cannot expect little kids to empty out their trust funds and then have to find an "actual job" like flight instructing for a couple of years, can you? That would be so beneath them-plus most of their grandpappys are senators.
Click to expand...

I'm sure you expect "a lot" from little kids pervert! Get back to your goat raping!
 
jayme said:
According to this, it requires both pilots to hold an ATP (you could get it through your initial training with the airline, if you have the hours.)
Click to expand...


SEC. 10. FLIGHT CREWMEMBER SCREENING AND QUALIFICATIONS.


  • (a) Requirements-

    • (1) RULEMAKING PROCEEDING- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conduct a rulemaking proceeding to require part 121 air carriers to develop and implement means and methods for ensuring that flight crewmembers have proper qualifications and experience.

    • (2) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS-

      • (A) PROSPECTIVE FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that prospective flight crewmembers undergo comprehensive pre-employment screening, including an assessment of the skills, aptitudes, airmanship, and suitability of each applicant for a position as a flight crewmember in terms of functioning effectively in the air carrier's operational environment.

      • (B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--

        • (i) have obtained an airline transport pilot license under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and

        • (ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.




          Not sure how you are interpreting a foreign news article to say that. Seems pretty clear in the legislation that an ATP is required to be a Flight Crewmember. Are you saying that the legislation provides for the hiring of an individual and then use a portion of the training for the job to meet the experience requirements of the new FAR's? I don't see it that way at all. I'm thinkin no ATP...No interview in the future. Why would a prospective airline pay for someones atp in order to hire them? This will do nothing but raise the bar for all of us and eventually raise wages and QOL in the long term.
 
Last edited:
Oh I am SOOOO holding my breath....

      • (B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--
      • (i) have obtained an airline transport pilot license under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and
      • (ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.

 
The one gotcha I have read so far is a section where it says "Specific" types of training can be used to reduce the number of hours required for an ATP. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a huge loophole.
 
Smarta$$ said:
You want a bill that ALPA helped influence to help you with an avatar like that?

I do hope it becomes law WITH the 1500 hour requirement. It is rediculous to argue otherwise.
Click to expand...
This coming from one of the biggest tool-bags from one of the worst regionals in history. You should be ashamed for even replying to a thread about higher pilot standards. It's like Michael Moore commenting on the positive aspects of capitalism. Know your place. Remember who you work for???
 
Military fighter types will have to avoid leaving the cockpit in order to get 1,500 hours before their commitment is up. Maybe that's the "specific" training alluded to before.
 
SEVEN said:
This coming from one of the biggest tool-bags from one of the worst regionals in history. You should be ashamed for even replying to a thread about higher pilot standards. It's like Michael Moore commenting on the positive aspects of capitalism. Know your place. Remember who you work for???
Click to expand...

Your STILL an idiot.
 
It would be GREAT if there was NO Grandfather clause. Give the current folks the 3 years and if still not ATP - KICK EM' TO THE STREET!

BAJA.
 
What is MEL experience, does that mean a SEL ATP would not be accepted if a pilot had a Comm MEL?
 
Going2Baja said:
It would be GREAT if there was NO Grandfather clause. Give the current folks the 3 years and if still not ATP - KICK EM' TO THE STREET!

BAJA.
Click to expand...


Eat the young, eh?? you are starting to sound like a senior SEA pilot that you are always ragging about. ironic.

Mookie
 
Secret Squirrel said:
Yea, like that age 65 legislation. Thanks for that.
Click to expand...

Yep....that worked out good for us didn't it?

I'm telling you guys...it's the ME ME ME generation of which produced out current ALPAN leadership.

Older pilots lost their retirement and have 5 ex wives so we have to take care of them.

What retirement? No "A" plans I'm affiliated with, this generation of airline pilot leadership gave that away. As well as a "B" scale, as well as jet flying at legacy carriers, as well as...

The problem is that most guys don't want to be bothered with doing something about it. Maybe it will take a loss of their job to foreign pilots to wake them up? Or maybe they'll just NEVER stand up at all.
 
An ATP should be required for any airline job. Passengers deserve qualified pilots flying their aircraft. Buffalo is a good example of hiring minimumly qualified pilots.
 
does level c or d sim time count towards your atp time?
 
ultrarunner said:
Folks will re-think military route as a way to 121!
Click to expand...

I don't think too many people pursue a military pilot slot as a path to an airline job any more. Airline jobs are too easy to buy and have too little to offer, while the military offers a more stability and better pay.
 

Share this page

Latest posts

Latest resources

Latest media

Carbon Cub FX-3 Shenandoah Valley
Carbon Cub at Kittyhawk
FX-3 in the backcountry
IFR Panel in a Carbon Cub FX-3
Cub-Provo-UT-c.jpg
Back
Top Bottom