piedmont class not happening?

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This is probably true! Its gonna be really tuff to get pilots when you can go to some other regionals now and jump into a jet with a 1.5 year upgrade!

And the low time people we are getting are just using Piedmont for 121 experience and jumping ship in within a year. (suprised they haven't started some sort of training contract)

I heard our attrition has been crazy in terms of FO's going to other regionals. More Captains have been leaving lately to go to Airtran and other Larger Carriers.

I don't want to discourage people from coming here, its a great place in terms of pay and working contract and the pilots whom you work with. However if we don't get new equipment and show some sort of promising future we aren't gonna find anyone willing to come and fly here for more then 6 months.
 

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WSurf...

You figured out where the gear handle is yet?

WSurf said:
This is probably true! Its gonna be really tuff to get pilots when you can go to some other regionals now and jump into a jet with a 1.5 year upgrade!

And the low time people we are getting are just using Piedmont for 121 experience and jumping ship in within a year. (suprised they haven't started some sort of training contract)

I heard our attrition has been crazy in terms of FO's going to other regionals. More Captains have been leaving lately to go to Airtran and other Larger Carriers.

I don't want to discourage people from coming here, its a great place in terms of pay and working contract and the pilots whom you work with. However if we don't get new equipment and show some sort of promising future we aren't gonna find anyone willing to come and fly here for more then 6 months.
 

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I keep looking to my left, but now I gotta realize that from where I am sitting its too my right... lol, thanks for trying to keep me straight however!!
 

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Maybe if they dropped their mins. or were a little more flexible they would get the personnel they've been looking for................Besides there are a lot better carriers out there snatching up the low time community..........
 

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most common statment from new hires leaving the company in less than a year?

PDT New Hires said:
"I don't want to have to go to training again"
been hearing that there is no one left at PDT that was hired in '03....

newbies,
don't come here for these reasons
draconian mgmt,
contract essentially disregarded by scheduling (penny's famous line "Do it and grieve it")
some bases replete with stodgy, uptight, social recluses
training department is actually a disciplinary department, they don't want to teach, they want to bust
you'll be flying a prop, and lots of jackass pax will make that face when they come down the jetway, or make unbelieveably rude comments when comming on board

do come here for these reasons
the pay is better to start than most other places
the aircraft is great, yeah she's a prop, but as long as you don't ask her to go fast, she'll do practically anything else you ask of her (like a good girl should :D )
some bases are fairly well populated by relatively fun, social people
if we get enough people involved(read: active in the union), if by some miracle we received some new equipment, if MDA and the flow is salvaged within the new US/HP;
life could improve here and this could be a good place to start a career (yes thats a lot of IF's but not entirely outside the realm of possibility)
 
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dueguard1 said:
Maybe if they dropped their mins. or were a little more flexible they would get the personnel they've been looking for................Besides there are a lot better carriers out there snatching up the low time community..........
dropped their mins? I don't think they could drop them anymore and still get people with Comm-Multi-Inst tickets so I dunno where your getting this one...

maybe if the people raised their standards for the kind of place they want to work for, rather than selling out their first few years at slave wages just so they can 'fly a jet' :rolleyes:
 

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dueguard1 said:
Maybe if they dropped their mins. or were a little more flexible they would get the personnel they've been looking for................Besides there are a lot better carriers out there snatching up the low time community..........
What a dumb comment. Who else is hiring *currently* hiring at 500-600 hours?

FWIW, I declined an interview they bent over backward to schedule me for because I was not available for immediate classes. Sheila Parker told me she would hold on to my stuff and to call her once my contract was coming up, and she would get me right in for an interview.

Yeah, they're so inflexible:rolleyes:
 

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Dash8 said:
dropped their mins? I don't think they could drop them anymore and still get people with Comm-Multi-Inst tickets so I dunno where your getting this one...
Their posted minimums aren't that low, 1500TT 250 ME and 100 Actual.

Are they hiring with lower times, if so, what are the times?
 

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Their posted minimums aren't that low, 1500TT 250 ME and 100 Actual.

Are they hiring with lower times, if so, what are the times?
my understanding is in the 500/50 neighborhood for kinders from the 'big' schools, riddle, purdue, und, etal
 

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I beleive our own PA31ho is currently in class. His times were around 700/300. They interviewed me before I had 500 (april), and I'm currently swimming. They seem to look at UND and Purdue guys with very low time (many of my fellow boilermakers were hired over the past year). I'm pretty sure some of my buddies didn't even have 50 multi (I sure don't).
 

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Dash8 said:
my understanding is in the 500/50 neighborhood for kinders from the 'big' schools, riddle, purdue, und, etal
..and if you're not, do the much higher minimums apply (1500TT 250 ME).

If you haven't attended one of the aviation uni's, what min. times will get you in the door otherwise?

Truth is...I dont have a whole heck of a lot of time (under 800/100) and wouldn't mind getting my foot in the door flying a Dash-8, more so than an RJ.

How long do you think they'll be short for F/O's?
 

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Put your stuff in, and don't let published minimums discourage you! I applied for an entry-level Beechjet SIC job with minimums of 2000TT, 500 multi and 50 turbine. I was under 1000/100 with 50 in type and got an offer over the phone, without an actual interview. I declined it for the same reason I declined the PDT date above. Colgan has also been interviewing off the street 700-1000hrs, and their published mins are 1000/250. There are plenty of threads here on this forum where airlines are starving for FOs, so keep flying and sending stuff out! Good luck!

Again FWIW, I know some people hired in the last year at PDT barely over 500/25, but they were Purdue grads.
 

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I talked to Sheila last week and she said that the next class will be at the end of September. I'm in the pool with 520 hrs (came from Purdue). I doubt that I'll get out of it anytime soon though. It sounds like they keep interviewing people with ~1000 hrs and sticking them into the classes. I told Sheila that I was going to have to take a flight instructor job with a one year commitment on it, and she's going to keep me in the pool longer than normal. Maybe by then I'll have enough hrs to get out of the pool. I'm kind of nervous about taking an airline job right now anyways. With the fuel prices continuing to go up, somebody's eventually going to go out of business.
 

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A one year commitment?!?!?! For a CFI job?

BTW, did you interview on campus back in April?
 

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I missed the on campus interview due to the national flight team competition. I interviewed in June. Yeah, one year commitment.... it sucks but at least I can live at home for free.
 

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How much of a difference does it make if you've got the 121 ATP written passed in terms of hiring. Does it make much of a difference. I've been studying it and will probably take it some time next week.

Also, anyone have an educated guess or estimate on how long this hiring swing at the regionals will last?
 
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NYCPilot said:
Their posted minimums aren't that low, 1500TT 250 ME and 100 Actual.

Are they hiring with lower times, if so, what are the times?
"Published Mins." mean nothing, We have had to adjust them depending on the "Market". Ours were published at 1500 and 250 but we hired a few people at 600/ and 100 with previous "Structured" training. Structured meaning 4 year University, type rating, etc.

I heard at Airinc in MIA most minimums were announced by most regionals were well below "published" minimums.

Just Apply, It's not like the "good" old days, It free now.

Good Luck,
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nope, still in class and kickin'... started systems today.
 
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