Piedmont and Allegheny

[PDTGIMP]

I agree that U is the most backwards and stupid airline to exist today.

Although, the point that U could drain the equity out of the WO, having no gates or routes and just leave us to look for jobs as school bus drivers begs the question-How were they going to sell us to ACA last year, plus a FEW aircraft actually list US Airways, Inc. on the A.C. Not the -300's or anything but some of these old 100's.

Plus, all those shinny new Airbus A/C we're funding for mainline are leased too. And mainline uses us through DCA 'cause PDT, ALG and PSA, not mesa, owns the majority of slots into the airport.

Frankly, I have no clue how all that crap works, but thought I'd join the fray.

 

[FR8mastr]

PdT Gimp, They would have sold the routes and the leases to United not ACA, United then was to hire ACA to manage us. the reason for this is simple if United owned us all of our job protection and merger stuff would have come into play. Not that it would have ever happened. They would have paid lawyers to make it go away. That is why the big deal of having all this happen simaltaniously, so technically we would have never been owned by United. We were never going to be owned by ACA either, they were paid IE forced by United to do the deal for the reasons listed above and they would continue to need the feed. Point #2 because we would be operated as a seperate company only managed by ACA our job protections would not apply,(NO JETS) As time went by and ACA took delivery of new jets our dashes and our jobs would slowly go away remember they are not our routes they are now United routes. At the end of the 18 months I think it was, ACA was to decide if in fact they actually wanted to buy us. If not United was to pay them a truck load of cash for the trouble. Now what is left of us if anything would go back to United at this point we would have no power at all and we would just go away. Look at what Ornstien is doing to CC Air to know what would be the fate of the US wholly owned. But to think that we would be better off with ACA under anything remotely close to that deal, you would have to be in the twilite Zone. Not you PDTGimp but those out there that believe we would be in RJ's if the United Deal had happened as proposed.

 

[canadflyau]

ALG pilot... past tense

I am very amused at all the prior posts... HOW MUCH CAN CHANGE IN LESS THAN 30 DAYS!!

I am furloughed from ALG as of Friday May 3, when the call to stop training was made... only thing left was the checkride.

If you look back at all the prior posts you can realize how much management is trying to strongarm the wo's. On someone's post they are talking about how ALG is looking to go from 52 to 56 DASH-8 by May... but now what they say is. J4J's isn't the cause of furloughs, these were coming starting in July due to our DECREASING FLEET SIZE. ALG went from scarfing up PDT's 100's that were being replaced by 300's... but Kieth had this long term plan all along. OOPS it must have been some misinfo to say that we were possibly having a class & interviewing in MAY (Published in AIR Inc's JET JOBS)

What a crock.... This LOA is no good way to get jets.. we want jets, but not this way. MESA will probably love it!

As for me, on the street... again

 

[FR8mastr]

canadfly, I'm really sorry to hear how management screwed you, I can only say that myself and many others will be fighting like he-- to get your job back, (a job you would actually want) If we can keep PDT from caving in like a bunch of scared school girls we will have chance. If not, it doesnt look good at all. Hang in there and good luck.

A Captain at ALG

 

[canadflyau]

well it wasn't a furlough after all

Ok, are you thinking is mistyped, and meant to type furlough. No,
this morning the bottom four pilots on the seniority list were
terminated. Here is what was told:

The positions have been eliminated, and you are now terminated. You will receive no notice, this is your last moment as an ALG pilot. You do not have recall rights, b/c you are not furloughed you are terminated. Your pay ends immediately (again, no 30 days.) You do not retain any travel rights (no jumpseat letter, etc.) again b/c you are being terminated not furloughed. The only thing you are getting is your trip home, give us back all the things issued to you. Have a nice day, and sorry.

Ok, so now I am getting into the contract very deeply. The company just violated the contract... multiple times... right! As far as I am concerned the living contract that exists btw management and its pilots is dead.

Section 22 E Loss of Seniority
Our seniority was just stripped, we were not discharged, nor was this for discipline. Therefore our probationary status has nothing to do with what they just did to us. They violated the contract.

Section 23
We received no notice. Immediate loss of everything. Everything in this section was violated.

ALG pilots, this needs to be a wakeup call. When we asked "If the proposal was made in Rosedale slating furloughs to begin July 1, why then wasn't all training stopped then, instead waiting a week and a half and until after LOA 81 was not agreed to by our MEC." For that there was no answer.

I am surprised it has taken even this long for the injustice to get
out to everyone. So now hopefully more pilots can be informed. ALPA I assume will be taking recourse on our, and your behalf.

 

[sim66]

I feel for you man, that really sucks, I am not that far up the list myself. Am I missing something - just wondering why mainline guys who were still on probation got furloughed (then hired by us ) not terminated. Oh, I forgot, that's mainline and who am I to question that, because we don't have families to feed or put a roof over our heads. take care...

 

[TWA69]

Piedmont just did the same thing today,

No Notice, Nothing

9 Months,

1 Furlough
1 Termination

Don't you just love the airlines, and those coward management pieces of SH_T.

I think I am doing pretty well for myself.

 

[WSurf]

Well it looks like Furloughs are coming at PDT. With 14 A/C being returned this year, I see about 100 pilots furloughed!!! They want us to sell our souls for these RJ's (Mesa Type Contract), and everyone I talked to said hell NO to a 10 Year BS contract.
We make money for Group, even single engine taxi's the last 8 months that has saved millions, and they turn around and smack us! And now Mainline boys want to protect there Parity Plus 1%, GIVE ME A BREAK...... Help us all..

One Nervous PDT Pilot

 

[WSurf]

I have an idea, since mainline boys want to protect there furloughed pilots. Why don't they ask management if they take a small pay cut, and reduce their they flying by 10hrs a month. That should open some jobs up for the furloughed boys and girls. I mean they are losing a bunch of money! Nope, the mainline guys would eat there young for Full pay till the Last Day.

Here you have 3 WO's that make tons of Cash, and now they want us to take a huge pay cut, Pension, Health, No Min. Day, CX pay etc.

Thats it! I guess my next job will be? "Welcome to Walmart!"

 

[sim66]

IT's F***in criminal is what it is...

 

[pappy]

Sim66

Every pilot that was furloughed from mainline was off probation. Mainline stopped hiring in the Spring of 2000 because of the UAL deal. The first furloughs occured in the Fall of 2001, hence np termination like here at ALG.

Good luck to you. I'll be terminated in a few months from ALG.

pappy

 

[skydiverdriver]

Isn't it ironic that Piedmont never furloughed a pilot until this year? USAirways always has treated it's wo'd regionals pretty poorly, especially when it helps their mainline pilots. I don't know why you guys didn't want to join the rjdc fight, but perhaps now you will reconsider. I can't belive it took this long for someone to take ALPA to court for the way it treats one pilot against another. Well, you are a bit late, but welcome to the party.

PS, I used to work for a usair wo, and I wouldn't go back. If you are getting furloughed, you might actually be better off. Good luck to all of you.

 

[catman]

ALG LAYOFF

WELL GUYS, I DON'T THINK IT CAN GET ANY WORSE..... I'VE BEEN FURLOUGHED BY ALLEGHENY IN 1995 THEN BY USAIR IN 12/01,AND TERMINATED BY ALLEGHENY ON 5/06/02. I WORKED FOR ALG 9YRS AND THE FIRST AVALIABLE UPGRADE TOOK 7YRS. ALG, PDT,AND PSA ARE BEING USED AS A PAWN BY USAIR MANAGEMENT. I'M CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE. I DON'T THINK I WILL EVER BE CALLED BACK TO USAIR. TIME TO LOOK FOR A NEW CAREER. I WISH THE GUYS AND GALS AT ALG, PDT, AND PSA GOOD LUCK IN THE FUTURE.

LIFE GOES ON,
CATMAN

 

[avjet]

us airways

It is a shame to hear someone with your experience is out of a job.. I feal for you. Sorry to hear the bad news. Best of luck to you in the future........

 

[jetdriven]

this is a nasty rotten business