PIC vs. signing for aircraft

[AA717driver]

When you're flight instructing, you ARE the PIC. Period.TC

 

[enigma]

When you're flight instructing, you ARE the PIC. Period.TC

What about a double I, with no medical, giving instrument dual to a commercial pilot. Is that still legal? I haven't given an hour of dual in over ten years, and haven't been a full time CFI for over 16 years, so I could be a little behind the times, but the last time I checked it was legal for such a scenario to happen. In that case, I believe that the commercial pilot receiving instrument instruction is the PIC.

enigma

 

[flyboy]

Anytime you are acting as flight instructor, you will log PIC. Let's face it, if you are giving instruction to a commercial pilot and he crashes the airplane, the FAA will give him grief. However, it won't compare to the grief they will give you as a CFI in the front seat. I tell my friends that are not CFIs, "when an emergency comes up or if you are about to kill us, it's my airplane. If I'm going to get the blame for a crash, then by goodness, I'm going to be the one that crashes it."

 

[WMUSIGPI]

That's what I thought too. Just wanting to make sure.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

I tell my friends that are not CFIs, "when an emergency comes up or if you are about to kill us, it's my airplane. If I'm going to get the blame for a crash, then by goodness, I'm going to be the one that crashes it."

If I was paying for the plane and hadnt hired you to give me dual and our experience level was similar Id tell you to blow it out your a$$, or walk.

 

[ultrarunner]

If I was paying for the plane and hadnt hired you to give me dual and our experience level was similar Id tell you to blow it out your a$$, or walk.

Amen to that. The last thing a pilot needs is someone getting all 'high and mighty' just 'cause he has a CFI certificate. And isn't even there to act in that capacity.

 

[flyboy]

And I'd tell you to find another instructor (or pilot that fills the void of your own lack of confidence), walk away, then walk back, punch you in your right eye for being a smart A$$, then return to walking away.

 

[ultrarunner]

ahh, pilots and ego, hand-in-hand.

One big happy family.


good grief

 

[flyboy]

It's not about ego, it's about not liking smart a$$S.

 

[LAZYB]

Logging PIC...

Gee, let's wait a couple of months and do this all over again...

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

And I'd tell you to find another instructor (or pilot that fills the void of your own lack of confidence), walk away, then walk back, punch you in your right eye for being a smart A$$, then return to walking away.

You missed the part where I specified that I had not hired you as an instructor, thus you were not using your CFI certificate. You and I had just rented a plane together for one reason or another.

Lets say I own a plane. I take you flying just for fun. We both have equal experience and ratings except you are a CFI and I am not (i actually am one too but im speaking hypothetically). We lose an engine and you try to take the controls from me and you'll be wearing the crash axe.

 

[flyboy]

i really don't think so.

 

[enigma]

NANA-NANA-BOO-BOO. I can pee farther than you can.

Grow up, boys.

enigma

 

[AA717driver]

enigma--I should have been more specific(always on this board! ).

A CFI giving dual to a student is the PIC. Two CFI's riding together, well, that's just dangerous. Kind of like having two management pilots flying together... TC

 

[JimNtexas]

Just keep two columns:

1. Part 61 defined PIC (sole manipulator of the controls in an aircraft in which you are qualified)

2. Part 1 defined PIC (signed for the plane)

keep it simple.

Hey Hugh, you are making it WAY too simple!!!!!

How can we act like condesending swelled head asses if you introduce common sense like that?????