PIC vs. ATC??

[memooch]

It says in the 'Instrument Flying Handbook" (FAA-H-8083-15) [page 10-4] that "The pilot is responsible for requesting an amended clearance if ATC issues a clearance that would cause a pilot to deviate from a rule or would place the aicraft in jeopardy"

Has anyone, or anyone you know, ever been in this situation? I just want to see some common (or uncommon) examples/'oopses', because the book doesn't cite any.

Thanks!

 

[Citationkid]

I just want to see some common (or uncommon) examples/'oopses', because the book doesn't cite any.

Would that be like ATC vectoring you into a mountain or restricted area?

 

[mar]

Exactly

When I was an instrument student in So Cal we did the IFR cross country from Fullerton to Santa Inez (sp?) and then Santa Barbara.

Between Santa Inez and Santa Barbara is the Gaviota VOR (if I remember correctly), Reagan's ranch and a prohibited area. Or at least it was when I was an IFR student.

Our clearance took us over GVO and thru the prohibited area.

After I copied the clearance I checked it on the map and discovered the discrepancy but Center caught his own mistake by then and issue an amended clearance.

So. There you have it.

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

I was once requesting to fly VFR though SLC bravo 9,000’. ATC gave me a vector right into the Wasatch Mountains east of Hill AFB and needless to say, I refused the heading. One thing students MUST remember is they are giving a clearance only, you can refuse!

 

[mattpilot]

another clearence that is more common that gets refused a lot more are vectors into dangerous weather. Only a fool would accept a vector into a Thunderstorm

Different example that happened to me: We were flying along at 3000 in the soup doing practice approaches. Our temperature gauge read between 2C and 0C. If he would of given us anything higher than 3000feet, we would have refused the altitude change due to safety reasons (172R has no anti ice).

So it can be any number of things. Another thing would be traffic avoidance. etc...

 

[midlifeflyer]

A fairly common one in coastal areas is receiving an out-to-sea clearance when the pilot doesn't have floatation safety gear.

In higher terrain, the equivalent would be saying "unable" in response to an altitude instruction where the altitude is beyond no-oxygen regulatory requirements or a pilot's personal minimums.

 

[memooch]

Thanks! Keep 'em coming if you have more!

These are very helpful, practical examples not found in the book!

 

[A Squared]

I had ATC assign an altitude much lower than the MEA and much lower than some mountains ahead. I posted about that incident a little while ago.
http://http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=29159
several others posted stories in the thread about ATC clearences which were in error.

 

[FSB99]

another example, tower clears you to land, and advises you of the wind.. turns out to be 11 knots of tailwind. company policy says no more than 10 knots.. can't do it, even though you've been 'cleared to land.'