PIC question

[dugan jones]

if you are typed in the plane can you log sitting in the right seat as PIC? thanks

 

[Bobby Orr 4]

Part 1.1 states pic time can only be logged when you have final authority of the aircraft and have been designated pilot in command before the flight.
If you do not sign the release and AML you are not pic therefore cannot log the time as pic. hope this helps.

 

[dugan jones]

hey thanks for the quick response that is exactly what i thought but i had an FO telling me otherwise yesterday so i was just making sure

 

[FracCapt]

if you are typed in the plane can you log sitting in the right seat as PIC? thanks

If you're designated as PIC, you log PIC regardless of the seat you're in(such as check airman in the right seat, designated as PIC). If you are typed, but not qualified under 121 or 135(whatever you're operating under) as PIC, it becomes a sticky situation. You can't ACT as PIC.....but some people think they can still LOG it as PIC. I disagree with that, but that's just me.

 

[profile]

You can legally log it according to FAA, however, the company apps all differentiate it, so at best it will just confuse things later on, at worst it could cost you the job. Best not to mess with it, log PIC only when you ARE PIC.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

You can legally log it according to FAA,

I'm no hangar lawyer, but I think it can be logged PIC as long as you are rated in the airplane, sole manipulater of the controls, and the other pilot doesn't log it.
Whether a prospective employer sees it that way is completely different.

 

[FracCapt]

I'm no hangar lawyer, but I think it can be logged PIC as long as you are rated in the airplane, sole manipulater of the controls, and the other pilot doesn't log it.

Technically, you CAN have 2 pilots logging PIC for the same flight. Logging PIC and ACTING as PIC are two different things.

 

[ironwedge]

OK,

On an international flight with two first officers and one capt. AND all three pilots type rated.

The capt. goes on break and snoozing in the bunk room. Are either of the F/O's PIC at that point, or is it still the captain who is sound asleep? In this case can either of the F/O's log PIC? In this case would a prospective employer say that the F/O wasn't PIC at that point?

 

[some_dude]

BZZZZZT! Wrong answer.

1.1 says nothing at all about logging time. 1.1 discusses who can *be* the PIC, as follows:

Pilot in command means the person who:

(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;

(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and

(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.

I don't see any mention of logging there, do you? Logging of time is covered in 61.51, which explicitly allows PIC time to be logged if the pilot "is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges."

To answer the original question, no, if the FO is in the right seat and not flying then he/she cannot log it as PIC. If he/she is the flying pilot (i.e. "sole manipulator of the flight controls") then he/she should be able to log it. I don't know that I would do so, as the company will presumably record it as SIC and thus substantiating it in the future might get a bit sticky, but theoretically it could be logged as far as the FAA is concerned.

Oh, and as far as the international augmented crew thing goes, I don't know. Sorry.

Part 1.1 states pic time can only be logged when you have final authority of the aircraft and have been designated pilot in command before the flight.
If you do not sign the release and AML you are not pic therefore cannot log the time as pic. hope this helps.