PIC/Performing duties of PIC..multi training...

[gkrangers]

So I'm working on my CMEL, and was a little confused about the times required.

If you are performing the duties of PIC, can that time count towards training recieved time as well? (Part 61 time reqs for multi comm initial)

 

[gkrangers]

Just to go into this further...exactly how much multi time is required for a Multi Comm Initial?

30? 20 training on 61.127(b)(2) + 10 PIC

or

20? 10 training on 61.127(b)(2) + 10 PIC

Which is it?

 

[nosehair]

20 hours. 10 training and 10 solo. The solo may be with an instructor and can be credited towards the total 100 hours PIC required, but is not PIC.

 

[minitour]

I've always read it as 30, just wondering why 20?

I've been wrong before, so it wouldn't surprise me...

-mini

 

[desertdog71]

(b) For an airplane multiengine rating. Except as provided in paragraph (i) of this section, a person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and multiengine class rating must log at least 250 hours of flight time as a pilot that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 50 hours must be in airplanes.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 50 hours in airplanes; and
(ii) 50 hours in cross-country flight of which at least 10 hours must be in airplanes.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in §61.127(b)(2) of this part that includes at least—
(i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5 hours must be in a multiengine airplane;
(ii) 10 hours of training in a multiengine airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps, and controllable pitch propellers, or is turbine-powered, or for an applicant seeking a multiengine seaplane rating, 10 hours of training in a multiengine seaplane that has flaps and a controllable pitch propeller;
(iii) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in day VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iv) One cross-country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in night VFR conditions, consisting of a total straight-line distance of more than 100 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and
(v) 3 hours in a multiengine airplane in preparation for the practical test within the 60-day period preceding the date of the test.

 

[nosehair]

My mistake, Mini, you're right; it's 30.
20 Dual and 10 solo(may be with instructor).

 

[gkrangers]

But the 10 "solo" with an instructor cannot be counted toward the "training".

 

[rickair7777]

But the 10 "solo" with an instructor cannot be counted toward the "training".

Correct...it's not really "dual-received". The only reason the FAA allows an instructor to go along for the ride on your "solo" time is because it would be impossible to get insured to do it alone...

 

[nosehair]

Correct...it's not really "dual-received". The only reason the FAA allows an instructor to go along for the ride on your "solo" time is because it would be impossible to get insured to do it alone...

It doesn't count towards the "20 hours training on 61.127(b)(2), however, to clarify, it is stll logged as "dual received", it is not solo.

 

[gkrangers]

Understood, makes sense. Now that I'm doing the training it is helpful doing the full 30 hours, since only around 20 are training, with 10 being XC.