OK, this may get me flamed but after reading the "how you got your job" thread, I have to ask. Don't PFT and the bubba network get you the same results. I mean both seem to get you the interview that you might not have gotten otherwise. I am not saying that either is right or wrong but they often produce the same result. I would think if you could afford a quality PFT program, getting top notch training and got the interview it would be just as good as if you are at or below the company mins and you got the interview because your dad's buddy's brother's cousin's sister walked in your resume and got you preferential treatment over the other people applying. My personal opinion is that everyone should be assessed on their skills and that all of the "hook-up" shortcuts to getting in should be done away with. Having someone on the inside is sort of like affirmative action. Think about it. You are probably going to get the job over someone better qualified just because you know someone. That isn't any different than getting it because you were a quota. I am looking to get into the industry in about 5 years and I would be pissed if someone less qualified than me got the job I was after just because they knew someone on the inside. I would be equally displeased if the guy who paid 30K to be a FO for a year got the job ahead of me. I am sure both instances will happen but my point is in my opinion they are 2 roads to the same destination.
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I'm sorry. I thought the term "bubba network" was a little off the wall. 
Actually, most people get their jobs in aviation through a personal referral, if not outright nepotism. In many shops, you won't be considered without an LOR. Just like degreees of separation, folks feel that it's better to go with a "known quantity", an applicant who has a personal connection, and a liklihood of sucess based on association and accountability.
For instance, if "dad" carries in a resume for his son at xyz airlines, the boss at xyz knows that dad would be unlikely to risk his rep on a "bad boy", and that "son" will likely get all of the personal help he needs from "dad" in order to help him fit right in. On the other hand, a more (speaking objectively) "qualified" applicant might not be as good a fit, or as loyal to the company in the longer term. The same can apply if the applicant is not related to an employee. In this case, a person who knows the applicant can speak well of him from personal contact, knows he has a talent for flying, and once again provides a method of accountability. This is more effective than most interview screening could hope to achieve.
Now, the PFT monster. We have many threads, and you can run a search. Like RJ's and politics, these can go on for several pages. Personally, I am a proponent of the traditional route, where you learn aviation from the inside as an instructor, building experience as you build time. I find the idea of paying for experince, such as Gulfstream, to be abhorrent. It's one thing to be a wh*re, but another to be a cheap one. In this case, the wh*re is paying the customer! Having 250 hours of purchased KA time doesn't make you ready to be a professional pilot. Those who have taken this route and succeeded did so because they were willing to teach themselves, and eventually got up to speed. Like the kid in second grade, they cut into line instead of awaiting their turn, and po'd everyone who had prepared well and learned from their many experiences over time. People don't forget things like that. If you are a hard nosed loner, then this might be for you. As for me, I took the advice of several experienced aviatiors. Now, when I taxi in at FXE, I'm getting out of a jet at the other end of the airport, with my self respect intact.
It's up to you.
Actually, most people get their jobs in aviation through a personal referral, if not outright nepotism. In many shops, you won't be considered without an LOR. Just like degreees of separation, folks feel that it's better to go with a "known quantity", an applicant who has a personal connection, and a liklihood of sucess based on association and accountability.
For instance, if "dad" carries in a resume for his son at xyz airlines, the boss at xyz knows that dad would be unlikely to risk his rep on a "bad boy", and that "son" will likely get all of the personal help he needs from "dad" in order to help him fit right in. On the other hand, a more (speaking objectively) "qualified" applicant might not be as good a fit, or as loyal to the company in the longer term. The same can apply if the applicant is not related to an employee. In this case, a person who knows the applicant can speak well of him from personal contact, knows he has a talent for flying, and once again provides a method of accountability. This is more effective than most interview screening could hope to achieve.
Now, the PFT monster. We have many threads, and you can run a search. Like RJ's and politics, these can go on for several pages. Personally, I am a proponent of the traditional route, where you learn aviation from the inside as an instructor, building experience as you build time. I find the idea of paying for experince, such as Gulfstream, to be abhorrent. It's one thing to be a wh*re, but another to be a cheap one. In this case, the wh*re is paying the customer! Having 250 hours of purchased KA time doesn't make you ready to be a professional pilot. Those who have taken this route and succeeded did so because they were willing to teach themselves, and eventually got up to speed. Like the kid in second grade, they cut into line instead of awaiting their turn, and po'd everyone who had prepared well and learned from their many experiences over time. People don't forget things like that. If you are a hard nosed loner, then this might be for you. As for me, I took the advice of several experienced aviatiors. Now, when I taxi in at FXE, I'm getting out of a jet at the other end of the airport, with my self respect intact.
It's up to you.
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I'm with you on this timebuilder...
but this subject has many sides to it.
I would probably get a 727 type at my own cost to get into FedEx if I could get a position there. Will I? no. Not only that, but fortunately FedEx doesn't play that game. I would have to work hard at obtaining the qualifications, just like anybody else.
As for buying time and PFT at the 135 or commuter/regional level...I say let them eat cake, those people stupid enough to do that should just pony up the cash and pay. When they are sitting right seat at American Eagle, Great Lakes or something like that for 5-6-7-8 years with no PIC time of their own, then maybe the light will come on.
I wonder how many people took the PFT route and made fast track moves in the few years before 9/11 and the economic down turn, only to find themselves stocking shelves at Walmart or shaking salt over french fries, with a PFT mortgage still hanging over their heads? I know of two, personally. I also know of several guys that quit fractional jobs or regional jobs for a class date at the majors, only to find that class date cancelled and to be out on the streets looking for any jobs. I would hate to have had to bought a type or owe a previous employer on some ludicrous training contract (and some of those cannot be broken) and find my self cleaning cars at the AVIS car rental place.
Speaking of breaking training contracts...I know an FBO that would hire you as a CFI and if you needed/wanted CFII or MEI, they would work out a deal that you sign contracts for length of employment and the FBO would PICK UP THE TAB ON THE NEW RATINGS. If you quit the place before your time was up...you paid a pro-rata portion of your "BILL". I think this was a good deal and was really just a way of getting you the ratings you needed to be more marketable as a CFI, without you having to pay out of pocket and getting paid...all at the same time. Not the same as buying a job...but a form of PFT. You paid by signing a commitment to stay.
Another place where attempts at, or having PFT contracts can bite you in the arse...a friend of mine got typed in a citation at a part 91 place and eventually because of that type, got an offer at a well known national carrier. He left the part 91 place as the ink on his type was just drying. THEY were really mad at him, because he refused to sign and agree to a training contract. Well 9/11 hits and he gets furloughed. Guess what...try going back to or getting a reference out of that previous employer!
I see PFT like what they had in the 90's happening all over again and they will get away with it, because people will do it. The kind where you pay flight safety 15,000 bucks and you get trained...then sit in a pool and hope that someone calls you. BRRRRR, hand me a towel.
but this subject has many sides to it.
I would probably get a 727 type at my own cost to get into FedEx if I could get a position there. Will I? no. Not only that, but fortunately FedEx doesn't play that game. I would have to work hard at obtaining the qualifications, just like anybody else.
As for buying time and PFT at the 135 or commuter/regional level...I say let them eat cake, those people stupid enough to do that should just pony up the cash and pay. When they are sitting right seat at American Eagle, Great Lakes or something like that for 5-6-7-8 years with no PIC time of their own, then maybe the light will come on.
I wonder how many people took the PFT route and made fast track moves in the few years before 9/11 and the economic down turn, only to find themselves stocking shelves at Walmart or shaking salt over french fries, with a PFT mortgage still hanging over their heads? I know of two, personally. I also know of several guys that quit fractional jobs or regional jobs for a class date at the majors, only to find that class date cancelled and to be out on the streets looking for any jobs. I would hate to have had to bought a type or owe a previous employer on some ludicrous training contract (and some of those cannot be broken) and find my self cleaning cars at the AVIS car rental place.
Speaking of breaking training contracts...I know an FBO that would hire you as a CFI and if you needed/wanted CFII or MEI, they would work out a deal that you sign contracts for length of employment and the FBO would PICK UP THE TAB ON THE NEW RATINGS. If you quit the place before your time was up...you paid a pro-rata portion of your "BILL". I think this was a good deal and was really just a way of getting you the ratings you needed to be more marketable as a CFI, without you having to pay out of pocket and getting paid...all at the same time. Not the same as buying a job...but a form of PFT. You paid by signing a commitment to stay.
Another place where attempts at, or having PFT contracts can bite you in the arse...a friend of mine got typed in a citation at a part 91 place and eventually because of that type, got an offer at a well known national carrier. He left the part 91 place as the ink on his type was just drying. THEY were really mad at him, because he refused to sign and agree to a training contract. Well 9/11 hits and he gets furloughed. Guess what...try going back to or getting a reference out of that previous employer!
I see PFT like what they had in the 90's happening all over again and they will get away with it, because people will do it. The kind where you pay flight safety 15,000 bucks and you get trained...then sit in a pool and hope that someone calls you. BRRRRR, hand me a towel.
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I always like a good P-F-T discussion
. . . . but networking certainly seems to be what is done. In a way, that is as unfair as P-F-T because not everyone has opportunities to network. I had five jobs in aviation and I got every one of them by going through the front door. I had colleagues who got the regional jobs I so coveted, but I didn't feel that I was well acquainted enough with them to ask for help. In looking back, maybe I should have.
Sometimes, networking fails. I tried for six years to get on with SkyWest. It would have been a great situation for me. I was getting nowhere. I had a Riddle student who got on at SkyWest. She offered to walk in fresh materials for me. I took her up on it, and to be sure I had not fallen through the cracks I attached another application fee. My check was returned, proving that I was in its system. No interviews or phone calls. My former student didn't understand it. Neither did I. Oh, well . . . . . .
On the other hand, when someone with quals less than the company mins gets an interview you can bet the ranch that the person had some kind of connection. Probably the dad-being-the-Chief-Pilot's-neighbor-connection. That is unfair, but what can you do??? I would have reacted to such a person the same way I would have reacted to someone who had P-F-Td.
I second Timebuilder's cutting-in-line comments because I feel the same way. Having dad get you the interview (and job) is another example of cutting in line.
Duksrule, you would have every right to be pissed if someone less qualified than you gets the job you want. Been there, done that . . . . . . and P-F-T now seems very much like the early '90s.
. . . . but networking certainly seems to be what is done. In a way, that is as unfair as P-F-T because not everyone has opportunities to network. I had five jobs in aviation and I got every one of them by going through the front door. I had colleagues who got the regional jobs I so coveted, but I didn't feel that I was well acquainted enough with them to ask for help. In looking back, maybe I should have.
Sometimes, networking fails. I tried for six years to get on with SkyWest. It would have been a great situation for me. I was getting nowhere. I had a Riddle student who got on at SkyWest. She offered to walk in fresh materials for me. I took her up on it, and to be sure I had not fallen through the cracks I attached another application fee. My check was returned, proving that I was in its system. No interviews or phone calls. My former student didn't understand it. Neither did I. Oh, well . . . . . .
On the other hand, when someone with quals less than the company mins gets an interview you can bet the ranch that the person had some kind of connection. Probably the dad-being-the-Chief-Pilot's-neighbor-connection. That is unfair, but what can you do??? I would have reacted to such a person the same way I would have reacted to someone who had P-F-Td.
I second Timebuilder's cutting-in-line comments because I feel the same way. Having dad get you the interview (and job) is another example of cutting in line.
Duksrule, you would have every right to be pissed if someone less qualified than you gets the job you want. Been there, done that . . . . . . and P-F-T now seems very much like the early '90s.
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Bobby's post is what I was looking for. Please let me be clear that I am not on the side of PFT. I am just wondering how many people feel that the "hook-up" to getting your foot in the door is nearly just as bad. Anyone who takes a short cut in front of others is cutting the line.
For me, I am going to try to get a few ratings while I am still in the Navy and then maybe go to someplace like ATP or one of the other schools that offers a lot of mulit-time with the program.
For me, I am going to try to get a few ratings while I am still in the Navy and then maybe go to someplace like ATP or one of the other schools that offers a lot of mulit-time with the program.
I wish that I knew people at alaska or airtran, or anywere else that it would benifit me. but I don't so I will fly on-demand charter and probably wont ever meet anyone at Alaska Airlines. I do resent, in a way, the people that have been "silver bullited" or whatever it is they do. But I would be perfectly willing to get a job that way. besides, it doesn't work for everyone.
What a bunch of hooey some of this thread is. You are comparing a person who busts their butt meeting new people to someone who opens up daddy's wallet. Puh- LEASE. You people are out of your minds. I volunteer at OSH just about every summer and network like crazy. I am fairly personable and meet many contacts that way. How could that be a bad thing? Wait a second....now I see. People who volunteer to help a non-profit organization are PFTing. Duh, why didn't I see that before. Lift your chins up buckaroos, networking goes on in every profession. It is an essential tool to have in your arsenal.
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PFT is a slap in the face of the pilot community and takes many jobs away from people who have "earned" it and have paid their dues but they don't get a shot since "some" go and whore themselves out. Gulf Joke= perfect example..
On the other hand> Obtaining a job because you "knew" someone or that someone helped you get the interview is not wrong or viewed as a negative. Most pilots get their breaks from networking and nothing is wrong with this practice at all. What you have proposed is comparable to saying " night is pretty similiar to day" "apples taste like peanuts" " a 777 is very very similiar to a BE1900" - see any "minor" differences.?? Very very minor but I can see where they are- 0
Just because you got the interview doesn't "give" you a job.
Once at the interview YOU must perform, bottom line...
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On the other hand> Obtaining a job because you "knew" someone or that someone helped you get the interview is not wrong or viewed as a negative. Most pilots get their breaks from networking and nothing is wrong with this practice at all. What you have proposed is comparable to saying " night is pretty similiar to day" "apples taste like peanuts" " a 777 is very very similiar to a BE1900" - see any "minor" differences.?? Very very minor but I can see where they are- 0
Just because you got the interview doesn't "give" you a job.
Once at the interview YOU must perform, bottom line...
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I think some of you are missing the boat.
I can't stand PFT, but networking, come on.
So if I stay at home and watch TV, the job is going to fall in my lap. I'm here to tell you, I busted by a$$ for a long time trying to get those hours in, renting planes, flying clubs, hanging out at the airport, since I was 15 I was doing that. I was an A&P at 20, working on airplanes for flight time, delivering pizza, fueling airplanes as a lineman, thats right, eat, sleep breath, dream about aviation.
Guess what, I met alot of people, I wasnt afraid to talk to people, get to know them, be freinds with them. And in turn guess what else came with that, alot of contacts. When I started getting close to being viable as a pilot, people either CALLED ME, or I went to them and they did what they could for me.
If that is cheating or unfair, then I need a new dictionary. The way I see it, if you want something bad enough, you do whatever it takes (ethically) and you do it.
A good freind of mine back in the mid 90's or so was an intructor, I had double the time he had, all of a sudeen he is going to go to ASA for 10K, he asked me to come along, I said no, even though I could have barrowed the money, I stayed flying freight part time as an on call FO and worked full-time as an A&P mechanic.
If I would have PFTed, that would have been wrong, but I didnt, it took a few years after that until I really started flying and being able to hold my own.
So if networking got my foot in, then I can hold my head up and say I did it the right way.
I can't stand PFT, but networking, come on.
So if I stay at home and watch TV, the job is going to fall in my lap. I'm here to tell you, I busted by a$$ for a long time trying to get those hours in, renting planes, flying clubs, hanging out at the airport, since I was 15 I was doing that. I was an A&P at 20, working on airplanes for flight time, delivering pizza, fueling airplanes as a lineman, thats right, eat, sleep breath, dream about aviation.
Guess what, I met alot of people, I wasnt afraid to talk to people, get to know them, be freinds with them. And in turn guess what else came with that, alot of contacts. When I started getting close to being viable as a pilot, people either CALLED ME, or I went to them and they did what they could for me.
If that is cheating or unfair, then I need a new dictionary. The way I see it, if you want something bad enough, you do whatever it takes (ethically) and you do it.
A good freind of mine back in the mid 90's or so was an intructor, I had double the time he had, all of a sudeen he is going to go to ASA for 10K, he asked me to come along, I said no, even though I could have barrowed the money, I stayed flying freight part time as an on call FO and worked full-time as an A&P mechanic.
If I would have PFTed, that would have been wrong, but I didnt, it took a few years after that until I really started flying and being able to hold my own.
So if networking got my foot in, then I can hold my head up and say I did it the right way.
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Being aggressive and going after your dream cannot be compared to PFT. I agree with LR25 sitting on your couch flying the remote control is not going to find you a job. The fact of the matter is that a lot of jobs in this industry require a lot of footwork and constant persistence, some employers look for that in a potential candidate I know that our DO and CP do.
Corporate is a very hard side of the industry to break into and some employers look for certain people with certain personalities, that requires face time and not just mailing in a flashy resume done up on $60.00 a page resume paper.
Our Chief Pilot enjoys talking to and takes time for people who just walk up to him while we are on the road. I’ve even seen him take resumes, buy cups of coffee and sit and talk to pilots who presented themselves while we were on a trip.
I don’t agree with PFT, the type that most associate with the usual airline scam that was so prevalent with the commuters and a few others in recent past. But if you don’t have an ATP and a company requires it just to apply, is buying that rating considered PFT, I think some on this board believe so…
If a type rating in the latest Gorilla Industries Whiz bang Model 1000 is required to apply, is buying that one PTF too… what about the 737 type that Southwest required?
I wonder if some here have an over inflated sense of entitlement when it comes to where exactly a pilot should cease to pay for his/her training.
Networking is fair game and a lot of professions, not just aviation require it.
Corporate is a very hard side of the industry to break into and some employers look for certain people with certain personalities, that requires face time and not just mailing in a flashy resume done up on $60.00 a page resume paper.
Our Chief Pilot enjoys talking to and takes time for people who just walk up to him while we are on the road. I’ve even seen him take resumes, buy cups of coffee and sit and talk to pilots who presented themselves while we were on a trip.
I don’t agree with PFT, the type that most associate with the usual airline scam that was so prevalent with the commuters and a few others in recent past. But if you don’t have an ATP and a company requires it just to apply, is buying that rating considered PFT, I think some on this board believe so…
If a type rating in the latest Gorilla Industries Whiz bang Model 1000 is required to apply, is buying that one PTF too… what about the 737 type that Southwest required?
I wonder if some here have an over inflated sense of entitlement when it comes to where exactly a pilot should cease to pay for his/her training.
Networking is fair game and a lot of professions, not just aviation require it.
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More on having contacts . . . .
To clarify something I wrote above, I am not dissing networking or having contacts. Both are important. Just don't depend on contacts to be your salvation. Don't count on their promises or their effectiveness, or lack thereof.
I like to relate how I had known this pilot who flew a King Air for an oil company. I had known him for years and had rented his 152. After I decided to pursue a flying career I went to him and asked if I could go with him in the King Air (it was a King Air 90, so I could have logged the time legally). I helped him many an afternoon wash and wax the airplane. I went with him a grand total of less than 1.0. Perhaps I was not always available, though I had good availability; in any event he could have kept me in mind. He apologized later for not giving me more time. I don't hold it against the man, but I'm giving this just as an example.
I had a similar experience after graduating from paralegal school. My school had an announcement on the board that a major lawfirm in town was looking for an entry-level paralegal. As it turned out, my father, of blessed memory, knew someone who knew a partner in this lawfirm. This contact spoke with the partner, and the partner gave assurances that I would get an interview. I heard the phone conversation on speakerphone. Did I get the interview? Noooooooo . . . . . Either this partner spaced it or the H.R. person resented someone going over her head.
Most certainly an LOR from someone in your target company(ies) is a "contact." Everyone needs such contacts. But the best they might do is move your resume to the top of the stack. Unless an H.R. conehead is told to bring you in for an interview, don't count on the conehead exhibiting intelligence sufficient to recognize you as being a desirable applicant.
Contacts and networking are important. Both can fill you in on job openings, and perhaps help get you an interview. Bottom line is you must do your own legwork to get your chance.
I still would resent it if someone less qualified than me got a job I wanted because that person had an inside contact and/or did you-know-what.
To clarify something I wrote above, I am not dissing networking or having contacts. Both are important. Just don't depend on contacts to be your salvation. Don't count on their promises or their effectiveness, or lack thereof.
I like to relate how I had known this pilot who flew a King Air for an oil company. I had known him for years and had rented his 152. After I decided to pursue a flying career I went to him and asked if I could go with him in the King Air (it was a King Air 90, so I could have logged the time legally). I helped him many an afternoon wash and wax the airplane. I went with him a grand total of less than 1.0. Perhaps I was not always available, though I had good availability; in any event he could have kept me in mind. He apologized later for not giving me more time. I don't hold it against the man, but I'm giving this just as an example.
I had a similar experience after graduating from paralegal school. My school had an announcement on the board that a major lawfirm in town was looking for an entry-level paralegal. As it turned out, my father, of blessed memory, knew someone who knew a partner in this lawfirm. This contact spoke with the partner, and the partner gave assurances that I would get an interview. I heard the phone conversation on speakerphone. Did I get the interview? Noooooooo . . . . . Either this partner spaced it or the H.R. person resented someone going over her head.
Most certainly an LOR from someone in your target company(ies) is a "contact." Everyone needs such contacts. But the best they might do is move your resume to the top of the stack. Unless an H.R. conehead is told to bring you in for an interview, don't count on the conehead exhibiting intelligence sufficient to recognize you as being a desirable applicant.
Contacts and networking are important. Both can fill you in on job openings, and perhaps help get you an interview. Bottom line is you must do your own legwork to get your chance.
I still would resent it if someone less qualified than me got a job I wanted because that person had an inside contact and/or did you-know-what.
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I believe that it goes without saying that an inside track is key in todays hiring market. My company virtually never hires from the street without a reference from a line pilot. If that makes it the "bubba" network, so be it. This concept is utterly divergent from PFT. Networking takes time, and while that time elapses, traditionally, a pilot is building experience. PFT is a way to jump forward without experience, training, or the traditional "paying of dues".
The amazing part about PFT(and I am not trying to get flamed with this) is a pilot group pays for their job and then demands pay raises. The problem is, through actions, you have told managment that you dont need nor want money. A cost of doing business for any compnay which flies is pilot training. If you wish to devalue yourself to management by accepting to pay what is rightfully their expnse, go ahead, just dont start complaining afterwards. I guess that was a bit of a rant, sorry. I just dotn believe that a individual who gets out, networks and makes something of him or herself is even remotely comparable to a PFT'r.
The amazing part about PFT(and I am not trying to get flamed with this) is a pilot group pays for their job and then demands pay raises. The problem is, through actions, you have told managment that you dont need nor want money. A cost of doing business for any compnay which flies is pilot training. If you wish to devalue yourself to management by accepting to pay what is rightfully their expnse, go ahead, just dont start complaining afterwards. I guess that was a bit of a rant, sorry. I just dotn believe that a individual who gets out, networks and makes something of him or herself is even remotely comparable to a PFT'r.
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Buying a type, I have heard this one in the past also.
One question about that to you. If you want to work for SW, and you get a type to get the job, is that PFT?
Well, if SW was the only place in the world that flew 737's, maybe so. But if you didnt get the job for some reason at SW but you got another job somewhere else flying 73's, is that still PFT?
Does that mean getting an ATP is PFT, every airline to fly Capt. requires it!!!!! It just dont hold up the argument.
Its simple, you borrow money from Mama/bank to go get a job to fly, thats PFT.
One question about that to you. If you want to work for SW, and you get a type to get the job, is that PFT?
Well, if SW was the only place in the world that flew 737's, maybe so. But if you didnt get the job for some reason at SW but you got another job somewhere else flying 73's, is that still PFT?
Does that mean getting an ATP is PFT, every airline to fly Capt. requires it!!!!! It just dont hold up the argument.
Its simple, you borrow money from Mama/bank to go get a job to fly, thats PFT.
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Blackballed?
I don't doubt you, though. But one would think that persistence along with having someone walk in the app for me would overcome a negative comment.
I have other theories about why I was never called at SkyWest. Read some of my other posts.
I appreciate your comments, though.
Actually, I hadn't. I applied there starting in September of 1988 and continued through 1994. I met quite a few people in aviation during that time, but none of them except my former student was aware that I applied there, and for so long a period. Of course, you never know whom you'll meet who can wield a knife or dagger.DC8Driver said:
I don't doubt you, though. But one would think that persistence along with having someone walk in the app for me would overcome a negative comment.
I have other theories about why I was never called at SkyWest. Read some of my other posts.
I appreciate your comments, though.
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Hello,
PFT= is poison for the pilot profession(period).
Networking= Is normal in any industry, infact it may be more important in the aviation industry.
Reason? I currently sit in an A/C for 10-13 hours a day, 4 days a week, all month with the same guy. If you think sitting next to a marginal personality for that length of time is fun, you are taking the right prescription. I am not, and have been lucky to only have had to sit next to one or two of the above mentioned personality types. The interview is a further filtering process after the application and testing. All of the people who get to the interview are being evaluated for many attributes, the logbook totals are only one, knowledge, personality, and ability to communicate with non-flight personel are just a few more. We(line dogs) want qualified, well rounded, pleasant people to sit next to. If your only friend is your dog and he/she even bites you from time to time......
Ola
PBR
PFT= is poison for the pilot profession(period).
Networking= Is normal in any industry, infact it may be more important in the aviation industry.
Reason? I currently sit in an A/C for 10-13 hours a day, 4 days a week, all month with the same guy. If you think sitting next to a marginal personality for that length of time is fun, you are taking the right prescription. I am not, and have been lucky to only have had to sit next to one or two of the above mentioned personality types. The interview is a further filtering process after the application and testing. All of the people who get to the interview are being evaluated for many attributes, the logbook totals are only one, knowledge, personality, and ability to communicate with non-flight personel are just a few more. We(line dogs) want qualified, well rounded, pleasant people to sit next to. If your only friend is your dog and he/she even bites you from time to time......
Ola
PBR
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