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Bustin must work for CAPT.

That place sucks, if *only* for the fact its overpriced. And are they really training people for Focus Air? According to the Cargo forum their airplane doesn't move too much...
 
WTF!!!!! 70-80K to get a regional job?! Who's smokin' crack now! Oh yeah, but theres good news...you get a CRJ or MD-90 type when you are done. Whopdee doo... what friggin' good are they going to do you with 250-500 hours? Must be nice to spend all of mommy and daddy's money.
 
starchkr said:
WTF!!!!! 70-80K to get a regional job?! Who's smokin' crack now! Oh yeah, but theres good news...you get a CRJ or MD-90 type when you are done. Whopdee doo... what friggin' good are they going to do you with 250-500 hours? Must be nice to spend all of mommy and daddy's money.

Hey, it's a DC-9 type. Get your facts straight, lol.
 
ironwedge,

CAPT is not PFT. Yes the program is degenerate and lame. Yes it is rediculously expensive. Yes I don't agree with 400 hour pilots in a 747. We all think it is stupid but in no way does it classify as PFT.
 
The_Russian said:
ironwedge,

CAPT is not PFT. Yes the program is degenerate and lame. Yes it is rediculously expensive. Yes I don't agree with 400 hour pilots in a 747. We all think it is stupid but in no way does it classify as PFT.


I agree. How is CAPT different from the guy who goes to the local FBO to get his private, instrmt, comm, me, etc? The issue of an airline hiring a 400 hour pilot is another thing altogether, but I don't see where this is PFT.
 
ironwedge said:
I was just reading this thread at APC and it seems PFT is alive and well. The allure of an airline career is easy to romanticize, although to the tune of $70K-$80K I don't think these guys know what they are in for.

I'm sure these young aviators could use a reality check:

http://forums.airlinepilotcentral.com/showthread.php?t=377

Truthfully PFT has continued to be around for a long time...I mean, look at Southwest...
 
Once upon a time I was a non PFT rebel myself. American Eagle told me in the early 90's that for the mere sum of 12,500 Shekels they would be willing to take me from 25-zero to hero. Should have seen the brochure, it was beautiful!! Oh the life I would live, they even made it look like dry cleaning, a fitness trainer and tooth whitening was included in the deal.
Being the Lad I was, I said no thanks. I thought PYD ( Pay Your Dues) was the way to go. Learned how stupid I was the first time I flew with an accelerated zero to hero acadademy grad. You should witness the ability to quote regs and manuals firsthand. Amazing!! You should see the crease in those clothes and the shine in those shoes. How do they get that gel to do that for their hair??
So here is my realization, I will be the first pilot to offer PFS ( Pay for Seat, Pay for Seniority ) The auction will be held on E-Bay. Bids start at $140,000 USD. ALPA has been compliant thus far with PFT, so I expect no opposition.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bustin
Do you think flight time is more important than a quality foundation? Why would a 500 hour CFI in a Cessna be more qualified to fly right seat in a CRJ than a 250 hour pilot with a DC-9 type rating and 14 months of CRM and human factors training?



The quality foundation that you refer to is called experience, I still don't think there is a way to shortcut that. You can take just about anyone and train them rote recite "light, switch, checklist". However, a 250 hour wonder with CAPT experience has no business in the cockpit of a 121 carrier's aircraft in [insert a phase of flight that requires aeronautical experience in excess of what a 250 hour pilot can bring to the table].


There is NO shortcut to gaining experience, you want to fly like a 5000 hour pilot...go fly 5000 hours.

The core argument here seems to be whether quality training can substitute for experience. Everyone compares the big $$ flight academy guys to the "pay your dues" camp, but no one seems to look at the military. No one seems to bat an eye at a 200 hour UPT grad going right into the right seat of a C-5 or B-1, or into the only seat of an F-16 or A-10. I can tell you from experience that any of these are more challenging than flying the right seat of the CRJ. The reason why the Air Force can trust a low-time pilot with these jobs is that they built them a very solid foundation in UPT, and built upon it with aircraft-specific training.
 

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