People over 25 should be dead

[Timebuilder]

Sounds like you were raised by conservatives, Typhoon, and lucky for you! I suspect you will become a conservative as you see your child grow.

In advance: welcome to the club.

 

[Timebuilder]

I tell ya what, you can go back to the past (let's say the 50's) under one condition; that you're a black woman and you live in Tupelo Mississippi. Write us and tell us how good you have it.

Let's see. I'd be a hard working, God fearing, welfare shunning conservative, wouldn't I?

Furthermore, very soon, some Republicans would force passage of the Civil Rights Act, over the protests of Southern Democrats.

Sure. If you can arrange it, I'll take it. Maybe I can sit next to Condoleeza Rice in school, and become a black female conservative leader when Connie is elected as the first black female president.


In all seriousness, your comment is racist at its core, and you should be ashamed for posing this situation, since it reveals that you think that being a black woman in the 1950's south is a bad thing, where one would somehow suffer for the experience.

 

[Airpiraterob]

I blame TV

kids have attention spans exactly equal to the moments in between commercials. mabye 8 minutes if theyre lucky....if YOU'RE lucky...

kids are advertised jeans that if they were any tighter and lower they'd be wearing assles denim chaps!....as fashion! the downside? 10 year old girls are getting this stuff! they're parents are buying this! the parent can say to their little girl "no, im not buying you clothes that are so tight it looks like youre just wearing body paint."

kids see casual sex on prime time TV as an OKAY thing! (or theyre just learning how to be a young pilot early on.) condom commercials at any given moment of the day on MTV and other related channels...that advocates safe sex yes...but also advocates sex to anyone whose watching....im not against sex at all!!! oh my god shoot me if i was. but would i want my 10 year old seeing that thinking that "if i just got that product...i could have sex"...thats what it says to me...

kids would rather play football on their Xbox-LIVE! or PS2 instead of go outside with their friends and play with the NERF in the front yard. reason? "it's so much cooler in Xbox, you do flips and stuff when you get hit."..that and his fat manboobs from sitting on the couch and playing it all day might get in the way. heh, you never see any fat teen kids on the commercials for this stuff do you. just toned and cut guys playing the games.

kids see violence as an okay thing. you only go to jail if you get caught. its only wrong if you get caught. displayed every day on TV crime shows. The husband accidentally kills his wife and is alright living with that. you don't see anyone on CSI turning themselves in out of guilt do you? id like to give the kids a copy of "crime and punishment" by Dostoevsky...all about the guilt.

...but im mafraid after 8 minutes theyd put it down and go play Xbox in the living room next to the teenage daughters room where shes having safe sex thats next to the empty front lawn with the nerf football thats been there for the last 5 months..

the parents cant feed their kids McDonalds a few times a week. it's always the parents fault their kids saw beavis set stuff on fire. its the parents fault their kids acted out the TV stuff...the parents are responsible absolutely. i wish they would act like it. whoops im 40 and have a kid about to be 12. ill just let him do his own thing......uhh....noooo! involve yourself in what he.she is doing. theres the guidance. parents are too busy now doing other crap.

yeah all the cool kids have this and have that....its what the kids do that matters.

 

[Airpiraterob]

oh yeah and although im only 29, if any kid walks on my property ill curse at them from my rocking chair on the porch!

"you blasted kids! get of my gosh durnned propper-tay" (serious fist-shakin)

 

[Typhoon1244]

Sounds like you were raised by conservatives, Typhoon...

Actually, I was raised by two Democrats who believed in raising disciplined children...if that's what you mean by "conservative."

I suspect you will become a conservative as you see your child grow.

Again, depends on what you mean by "conservative." If you mean I'm going to someday vote Republican and put a "Rush is Right!" bumper-sticker on my car...I doubt it. But I do plan on raising disciplined, healthy children.

I've already seen my views change on a couple of things: I'm now more anti-abortion and anti-nuclear-weapon than I used to be. One means leaning more to the left, the other means leaning more to the right...so on average, I haven't moved.

 

[VivaZapata]

In all seriousness, your comment is racist at its core, and you should be ashamed for posing this situation, since it reveals that you think that being a black woman in the 1950's south is a bad thing, where one would somehow suffer for the experience.

No, it is your denial of such that is racist.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Easy, Timebuilder. I think Viva's point is that the 1950's were not exactly an episode of Leave it to Beaver for everybody. Rape, murder, incest, crooked businessmen, crooked politicians, bigotry...all these things existed before 1970. The difference is that CNN, Fox News, etc. didn't.

I agree wholeheartedly that our culture has changed since 1950, but to say that we're (for example) less honest now? C'mon, in the '50's they were saying that cigarettes, radiation, and Joe McCarthy are good for you!

 

[WrightAvia]

kids are advertised jeans that if they were any tighter and lower they'd be wearing assles denim chaps!....as fashion!

I don't know how great that would look, but I wouldn't mind seeing crotchless leather boots come back into style. And them old time pointy bras. And HATS! Women doffed some pretty cool looking hats back in the Lauren Bacall days.

As far as the "good old days", evil people have been around forever. And people that just sat and watched evil go by are just as guilty.

Man accused in Nazi deaths deported

MIAMI - A Lithuanian immigrant accused of participating in the Nazi-led murders of Jews and other civilians during World War II has been deported to his native country, federal officials said Thursday.

Vytautas Gecas, 81, arrived in Vilnius, Lithuania, on Sunday, according to the Justice Department. Gecas had denied allegations of serving in a Nazi-led killing unit in Lithuania and Byelorussia, now known as Belarus, saying he was then an 18-year-old student.

"The departure of Vytautas Gecas from this country is another important step in the Justice Department's continuing efforts to deny sanctuary in the United States to those who participated in the perpetration of Nazi crimes," said Eli Rosenbaum, the director of the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations.

Gecas immigrated to England in 1947, working as a miner, until 1962 when he moved to Chicago where he was an electrician, officials said. Later, he moved to Sunny Hills in Florida. He never became a U.S. citizen.

Gecas spent 18 months in jail for defying a U.S. District Court of Pensacola order to answer investigators' questions in May 1999.

Gecas served in the 2nd Lithuanian Schutzmannschaft Battalion that killed thousands of Jews, suspected communists and Soviet prisoners of war, according to court documents.

 

[bigD]

I think there's a tendency in everyone to focus on the good times in their past and forget about the bad.

I am much, much happier that I grew up when I did, rather than in the 50's. Although I think I would have preferred to be born about 5 years earlier than I was.

 

[WrightAvia]

Here's another one, in case you thought it was fluke that they would be deporting old nazi's from the U.S.

From the "good old days" files...

http://www.jsonline.com/news/racine/sep03/173886.asp

I feel sorry. I saw what they did to Jewish people. They were dying; they were like skeletons. I see the hole and people dying.

- Josias Kumpf,
former concentration camp guard

 

[TonyC]

Women doffed some pretty cool looking hats back in the Lauren Bacall days.

Did you mean to say "donned?" (You read that AA article, didn't ya? "Doffed" means "took off.")

 

[WrightAvia]

Did you mean to say "donned?" (You read that AA article, didn't ya? "Doffed" means "took off.")

Heheheheh...

Them ladies always "Doffed" their hats, when the "KID SALAMI" walked into the room.

One entry found for doff.

Main Entry: doff
Pronunciation: 'däf, 'dof
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from don to do + of off
Date: 14th century
1 a : to remove (an article of wear) from the body b : to take off (the hat) in greeting or as a sign of respect
2 : to rid oneself of : put aside
- doff one's hat to or doff one's cap to : to show respect to : SALUTE

 

[Dominicinco]

not exactly aviation related

I think this countrys govt sucks. Now dont get me wrong, I was born and raised on US soil. but from what im seeing now-a-days with the economy and foreign policy, Iraq... and dont get me started on Social Security(which by the way, by the time Im 65, or 66, there will be no more money left). Why are we in Iraq anyway? Could it be........oil??? and did Bush ever get his $$$ billion dollar budget he wanted for more military spending?? GEEEEEEEz, what about free heathcare and education. Look at Holland, and Swiss, Belgium, and some other countrys in North Europe who have the highest GDP per person.

 

[TonyC]

Heheheheh...

Them ladies always "Doffed" their hats, when the "KID SALAMI" walked into the room.

Hmmmm. I've never seen a lady doff a hat as a sign of respect. Now I have seen gentlemen do such.

 

[flywithastick]

Re: not exactly aviation related

I think this countrys govt sucks. Now dont get me wrong, I was born and raised on US soil. but from what im seeing now-a-days with the economy and foreign policy, Iraq... and dont get me started on Social Security(which by the way, by the time Im 65, or 66, there will be no more money left).

I don't count on the government retirement system. You shouldn't either, becasue the politicians will plunder it into bankruptcy and the liberal/leftists won't allow it to be invested and controlled by individuals.

Why are we in Iraq anyway?

To take the fight to their backyard. Heck of an idea IMO!

Could it be........oil???

could it be, you've been brainwashed by the leftists? If it was about oil, why haven't we invaded Russia or Venezualla?!

GEEEEEEEz, what about free heathcare and education. Look at Holland, and Swiss, Belgium, and some other countrys in North Europe who have the highest GDP per person.

what's this swill you lefties keep pushing about Europe. They also have gasoline for $5/gallon, avgas for $10/gal or more. don't allow a fraction of the freedom for GA if at all. don't have land and homes that the average person can afford anywhere near as nice as in the US. don't have medical centers where the rest of the world travels to them for leading edge treatment (as we do here).

Most Part of the reason they have higher GDP (if even true) is because they don't allow millions of illegal aliens into their country from 3rd world countries.

Why don't you just go ahead and go on over to Belgium, Holland, Switzerland (not Swiss)... Oh - they control their borders and won't let you immigrate?! Hmmm....

 

[Timebuilder]

Easy, Timebuilder. I think Viva's point is that the 1950's were not exactly an episode of Leave it to Beaver for everybody. Rape, murder, incest, crooked businessmen, crooked politicians, bigotry...all these things existed before 1970. The difference is that CNN, Fox News, etc. didn't.

Life has NEVER been an episode of Leave it to Beaver. To try and judge a decade of real life by one TV show is something that someone would do if they had not lived that decade. I DID live that decade.

Life in the 50's in Mississippi was often difficult, but it was also a stable, two parent, church attending, and school studying life.

Let's compare my life as it would be if I was a black woman in the 50's to being a black woman in the 2000's. I'll take the 50's, hands down.

People have always suffered the ills listed in the above quote. The difference is that these things have become a part of acceptable behavior, and sometimes even fashionable.

In the 50's, there was never a popular media support for premarital sex, dressing children (age 10 or 11) as young hookers, being members of a gang, shooting each other or shooting police, placing your personal needs for gratification ahead of the needs of your family, or support for same sex "relationships". Communities were solid and stable. Most prison inmates were white, becuase whites were the most numerous and therefore were the source of most crime, which was far lower in incidence than today. There were millions of guns, and not one of us dreamed of bringing one to school. NO young girl came to school and shot people, and there was no "I don't like Mondays" song writen about the experience.

I could talk for days about the changes in society, and why we are truly Slouching Toward Gomorrah.

But I also recognize that this would largely fall on deaf ears.

 

[mullet]

A little off the subject, but holy buckets 2857 posts Timebuilder!!!
Carry on with your discussion.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Don't forget, Timebuilder, that your elders were making the same complaints back then that you're making now. As outraged as people are today by, say, Christina Aguilera, it's my understanding that foks were even more shocked by Elvis Presley's hips. Or the Beatles' hair. (My old high school band director, a retired artillery Colonel, is still convinced that the downfall of American society began when John, Paul, Gorge, and Ringo arrived.)

You're right about one thing, though. Black pepole were not being lynched left-and-right in 1950's Mississippi...no more than every high school today has guns in it. No more than airline pilots are always flying drunk. The sensational headline does not necessarily indicate a national trend.

I can't say whether all the ills we've mentioned were fashionable in the Fifties, but talking about them openly certainly wasn't!

 

[Timebuilder]

Don't forget, Timebuilder, that your elders were making the same complaints back then that you're making now

Complaints? Yes, they had complaints. The SAME complaints? No.

For instance, we had seen long hair before; the powdered wigs of the founders, or artists renderings of their idea of Jesus' appearance.

This is a far cry from bizarre facial piercings and tattoos.

I can't say whether all the ills we've mentioned were fashionable in the Fifties, but talking about them openly certainly wasn't!

They were talked about, but in controlled private environments. People had a sense of stigma and shame, which are powerful deterrants used by society to guide behavior. We have started to lose our sense of these inhibitors, and the inhibitions.

A 13 year old should be ashamed to be pregnant. Now, she has her own day care center and support group. In the 50's, she had an aunt in another town, and she was 16, not 13 or 12.

When I say "fashionable", I mean that these things are openly discussed as being "neutral" events and conditions, without stigma or negative inferrance. They are shown in entertainment at all times of the day. A ten year old girl is only a few clicks between Sponge Bob and a Hip Hop video with semi clothed actors bumping and grinding in simulated sex acts. If she hears music, she will hear shouting and screaming that passes now for singing. This gives impressionable children the idea that these events are rational choices and equivalent lifestyles, and that this is the new standard for leisure viewing by all ages.

By repeated exposure, children are being conditioned to poor choices and even outright evil, just like the Muslim children in a terrorist training program.

In this case, it is our frog who has been imperceptibly cooked by slowly raising the temperature of his comfortable water.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Timebuilder, I don't like much of today's culture either, but it didn't drop out of the sky or rise from the sea. It evolved...yes, evolved...from the cultures preceeding it. "American culture" is a continuum, not a series of models.

Christina Aguilera and Eminem are disgusting, but where did they come from? Who were their parents? Who made them?

Your generation, T.B. We all play the hand we're dealt.

 

[Typhoon1244]

P.S. There is some potential good news: evolution, even cultural evolution, does not always result in success. Just ask the next wooly mammoth, Nazi, sabre-toothed tiger, or Roman you meet.

 

[TonyC]

Christina Aguilera and Eminem are disgusting, but where did they come from?

Not sure about the latter, but the former came from the Mickey Mouse Club.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Not sure about the latter, but the former [Christina Aguilera] came from the Mickey Mouse Club.

I think you're thinking of Britney.

 

[bigD]

You're both right. They were on the Mickey Mouse Club together.

 

[bigD]

And now...I'm off to kill myself for knowing that bit of information...

 

[Typhoon1244]

You're both right. They were on the Mickey Mouse Club together.

Quite a legacy: Annette Funicello and Britney Spears...both of whom, I understand, jumpstarted several male members of their respective generations into puberty.

And now...I'm off to kill myself for knowing that bit of information...

 

[Timebuilder]

Christina Aguilera and Eminem are disgusting, but where did they come from? Who were their parents? Who made them?

The answer to that question is the subject of Slouching Toward Gomorrah.

The most important reason that they have come into being is parents who refuse to parent. This has several aspects.


1) The fracture of the family. Parents don't want to be the "heavy", so divorced parents leave the parenting to.....well, no one. It usually falls to the ultra-liberal public school, guided by the heads of the NEA and APA think tanks. So, essentially an entire generation of 25 year olds have never known a classroom where most of the class has both original parents in the home.

2) Discipline. Parents are afraid to discipline their children. I'm not suggesting that anyone should beat their children raw, but a good spanking has gone a long way to impart the seriousness of many ideas to a young mind. We don't need further study to see what becomes of an undisciplined child who has time outs that are enforced video game breaks in his room, well equipped with computer and cell phone. You end up with a snot nosed kid who knows that he could have his parents arrested with one academy award performance in the school office, with reports involving sex abuse to add fuel to the fire.

3) Exploitation. Everyone is willing to sell as many revealing fashions, condoms, birth control pills, plastic surgery sessions, suggestive videos, R rated movies and anything else they can too their eager consumers. Then they start working on those who are OVER 12.

Essentially, this trend is a result of an abdication of responsibility on the part of parents in particular and society in general. Schools have passed on the secondary role of imparting the traditional values of society in favor of becoming a leading edge liberal engine of change straight out of the hippie movement. Too active in class? Medicate the students. Are they horny? Teach them how to have more satisfying sex, never mind they are still in puberty. Can't answer a math question? Let them approximate the answer. Can''t speak english? Guarantee they won't learn it by teaching in a language that they speak, but have never mastered. Don't be concerned with what they know, instead concentrate on how they feel.

What is the teen's part in this? They know that they are crossing boundaries and dopping out. They are making choices every day, choices that are serving their need for instant gratification because they see that they are going largely unchallenged. In other words, they are taking the easy way out.

As a young father, this should be a focus for many of you. Pay attention.

 

[bigD]

Essentially, this trend is a result of an abdication of responsibility on the part of parents in particular and society in general. Schools have passed on the secondary role of imparting the traditional values of society in favor of becoming a leading edge liberal engine of change straight out of the hippie movement. Too active in class? Medicate the students. Are they horny? Teach them how to have more satisfying sex, never mind they are still in puberty. Can't answer a math question? Let them approximate the answer. Can''t speak english? Guarantee they won't learn it by teaching in a language that they speak, but have never mastered. Don't be concerned with what they know, instead concentrate on how they feel.

Excuse me while I duck under that huge brush you're painting with, Timebuilder, but as a 25 year old in the age group you speak of, my educational experience was very different than what you describe above. I don't necessarily disagree with the point you're trying to make, but by making these broad generalizations, you're effectively brushing aside anything and everything I've worked hard to become. I'm proud of the work I've done, and I'll put it up against anyone brought up in the 50's.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Let's see. I'd be a hard working, God fearing, welfare shunning conservative, wouldn't I?

Sure. If you can arrange it, I'll take it. Maybe I can sit next to Condoleeza Rice in school, and become a black female conservative leader when Connie is elected as the first black female president.

In all seriousness, your comment is racist at its core, and you should be ashamed for posing this situation, since it reveals that you think that being a black woman in the 1950's south is a bad thing, where one would somehow suffer for the experience.

Timebuilder,
You really need to sit down with some African Americans who lived through that era. Your comments show a shocking amount of ignorance of what the African American experience was like in the 50's. Racism was an institutionalized practice. Remember the "whites only" signs? Our courts looked the other way as innocent Americans were lynched or raped. Last month I spent some time with an older African American gentleman who served our country as a USAF mechanic. After he got out of the Air Force he wanted to go to work for the airlines. To his disappointment he found that the unions did not allow blacks into their ranks. It's also interesting to note that during a period of time when the airlines were subsidizing training for any white man with a PP cert, African American pilots who served in WW2 were denied the opportunity to apply for a job as a pilot in spite of their combat flying experience and ratings.
This is not a part of our history to be proud of. To ingore it and pretend it didn't happen is an insult to the memory of many fine Americans. I can assure you that you would not be the same person you are today had you experienced life as a black person in Tupelo during the 50's.

 

[Typhoon1244]

The most important reason that [the current generation of "no-good" kids]have come into being is parents who refuse to parent.

You're still dodging the issue, T.B. Guess who these "parents who refuse[d] to parent" are. They're your generation!

It was the "Baby Boomers" that were controlling Hollywood and Madison Avenue during the Fifties, Sixties, and Seventies. They brought us miniskirts, bikinis, recreational drugs, "smoking-is-cool," Deep Throat, fast food, Richard Nixon, "latchkey kids," etc. The Boomers created the world "Generation X" formed its earliest ideas in. So if the X'ers and "Millenials" have gone astray, whose fault is it? Bill Clinton? (I'll bet you Bill's a lot closer to your age than he is to mine, T.B.!)

If the children of the Fifties were so teriffic, why didn't they make a better world than this?