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Lampshade

Lampshade

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In anticipation of US Airways hiring in the near future, MEC pilot representatives from America West, Piedmont, PSA and US Airways, along with ALPA’s President John Prater, Vice-President of Administration Bill Couette and other national representatives, met yesterday to discuss concepts of career protection, specifically a flow-through agreement, and ways to promote progression to the mainline from the US Airways wholly-owned carriers.

Everyone committed their own MEC and ALPA National resources to work on the project as we all agreed that it would be valuable to continue these discussions internally and approach management with basic parameters of a system to accomplish these objectives.
 
Lamp,
"to continue these discussions ", "committed their own MEC ", "that it would be valuable ".............
That is the same crap we were told (PDT) for how long now? It's not going to happen and we should face it like that. Mainline will find a reason to bend us over again or have some other more important project going on. Bla, bla, bla.
 
Maybe you should consider the failure of a flowthrough to be a blessing in disguise. Think of all of the Piedmont, PSA, Allegheny, Chautauqua, Mesa, Trans-States, etc... pilots who went to USAirways in 99 and 2000 who wish they had stayed put.
 
Are their any PSA Pilots left to flow up. Last I heard they had all left that could. Just a question?
 
flypixs said:
Lamp,
"to continue these discussions ", "committed their own MEC ", "that it would be valuable ".............
That is the same crap we were told (PDT) for how long now? It's not going to happen and we should face it like that. Mainline will find a reason to bend us over again or have some other more important project going on. Bla, bla, bla.
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Then again... We have never been this far along in the process before. Just getting mainline to agree that the flow exists makes this different than the past.
 
Just why would mainline want to hire from a wholly owned when we are sooo short staffed that they can't even find new hires for PSA or Piedmont?

We are so poorly managed that i fear for my job. Management will put us out of business, or Doug P. will get so sick of our poor completion factor that he will sell us to Mesa or worse Pinnacle.

PSA management is trying to hire new employees but what are they doing to keep the current ones?
 
why would you want to flow from one of the worst regionals to THE worst "major"?

give me a break.
 
The flow should fix our attrition problem. Also, I would rather work for the "worst" major than any regional.
 
Flow up creates 3 training events, hire off the street and there is only one. Why would any company agree to this?
 
The New List

A new CEL list has been released. It may have been around for a while, but it is new to those not at the WOs.

It's new Title is "Piedmont/PSA/Republic Combined Eligibility List" and is dated January 1, 2007. It is apparently available on the PDT pilot's ALPA web site and maybe available at PSA's ALPA web site. Republic has nothing on theirs, but that's no surprise as the purpose of the list has nothing to do with Republic, only APL (the former CEL) who are employed there.

It includes all former CEL pilot's who are currently or will be (by July 9) on the LCC Payroll. All CEL and APL who used to be CEL are listed by their relative seniority, WO DOH, their current employer and employee number, and DOB.

The inclusion of former CEL pilots who are already on the US Airways System Seniority List now on the new CEL indicates that the respective WO MECs will seek to re-instate ghost numbers and flow up to Mainline in relative seniority as per their new list.

T8
 
trainer8 said:
The inclusion of former CEL pilots who are already on the US Airways System Seniority List now on the new CEL indicates that the respective WO MECs will seek to re-instate ghost numbers and flow up to Mainline in relative seniority as per their new list.

T8
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Totally untrue. No move to reinstate ghost numbers per three members of the PDT merger/flow committee I personally asked.

Have fun stirring the pot, though.
 
LowlyPropCapt said:
Totally untrue. No move to reinstate ghost numbers per three members of the PDT merger/flow committee I personally asked.

Have fun stirring the pot, though.
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If that is untrue, why the inclusion of the APL names? If it is untrue, there is no need for those names to appear on the new list.

T8
 
dav8or said:
Flow up creates 3 training events, hire off the street and there is only one. Why would any company agree to this?
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It doesn't matter! People are leaving the WO'ed reguardless of a flowthru! So they are still having to train at the WO'ed and US Airways will still have to hire off the street!

Remember, the flowthru would be nice.......... But then again your flowing to the worst Airline Carrier in the country in terms of pay and service!!!!! Yepppppie!!!! Sign us all up for that!!!

I would imagine many people would us the flowthru as a stepping stone to a better carrier!!! aka Delta, Southwest, UPS and Fedex!!!!
 
CEL List

There were a lot of names on that list that are not at PSA anymore. Some had been gone for 30 days or more when the list was made. There are a lot more that have left since then. Probably another 10% or more gone by now.
 
How does the flow create 3 training events? I can only come up with two, one of which would occur regardless for a total of one extra training event. If you consider that the pilot who flows up would likely not remain at the WO without the flow (leaving and creating a vacancy) then the whole thing is a wash anyway.
 
loser said:
How does the flow create 3 training events? I can only come up with two, one of which would occur regardless for a total of one extra training event. If you consider that the pilot who flows up would likely not remain at the WO without the flow (leaving and creating a vacancy) then the whole thing is a wash anyway.
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1 at mainline that would occur either way.
1 CA at WO
1 FO at WO

But then again PDT doesn't hire enough anyway, so really it would just lead to more parked aircraft
 
Man, you guys must be management. Hiring is essentially a zero sum game. The WO pilot will still leave whether he goes to mainline or JB, creating the same number of cycles for U Group. If mainline hires a GoJet pilot instead that leaves an empty slot at JB for the WO guy. If mainline hires the WO pilot then the GoJet guy goes to JB, and mainline gets a proven employee. Simple really, but you'd think it's rocket science by the way some airlines shun their own people.
 
It doesn't make a difference if a flowthrough creates one training event or 1,000. It's written in a contract, therefore the WO pilots are entitled to it. No further analysis required.
 
LowlyPropCapt said:
No further analysis required.
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You will stop making sense immediately!

Don't you realize you have to make any situation in this business as convoluted, complicated and just plain aggravating as possible?

For example: There is no way anyone on this planet can possibly fly swept wing jet aircraft. None. Unless of course you're doing it now, and you're exempt by default via the "Ultimate Mainline Paradox."
 
Sig said:
You will stop making sense immediately!

Don't you realize you have to make any situation in this business as convoluted, complicated and just plain aggravating as possible?

For example: There is no way anyone on this planet can possibly fly swept wing jet aircraft. None. Unless of course you're doing it now, and you're exempt by default via the "Ultimate Mainline Paradox."
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I'm sorry sir. I shall now return to my Scheduling Rod Insertion Ready Position.
 
LowlyPropCapt said:
I'm sorry sir. I shall now return to my Scheduling Rod Insertion Ready Position.
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Contrition noted.

Shirl will contact you regarding your occurrence- oh yeah, this is an OCCURRENCE- and it will go down on your permanent record.

What's next, you cantankerous upstart? You have some hare-brained scheme about "making a profit" or enhancing "quality of life" or some other useless topic?

Keep it to yourself! We're doing just fine.

/head back in sand
 
Hahahah!!

I wonder how long it'll be before Gay Ghost posts a PJ comment.
 
Im getting a little worried, I haven't been called to work on my standby day on the 4th of July!! Did Piedmont close the doors or did Farrow just give all of his workers the holiday off? Im blown away. Anyhow everyone enjoy the 4th and drink a few ice cold frosties for me!!
 

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