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So what would that new airline be called? PDT already has "piedageney" and "alamont" would the new airline be called "midageney"?
 
AWESOME!! Now we can fly those really cool 70 seaters and pretend we're real jet pylots...give me a break!
 
WSurf said:
Thats not my son. Its a picture of a PDT new Hire!!
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Ok now that is hilarious. LMAOROTFL.

Hmmmm. Even though that is a funny joking picture, I can only imagine that kid being a John Buchanan mini-me side kick.

Anyway, is that guy still the chief pilot for PDT?
 
Yepper! And tell me where you ran off too. Everytime someone leaves PDT its like a scene from 'An Officer and a Gentleman'!!! You know the part, she is working in the Sweat Shop and Richard Gere sweeps her away!! And the Chick yells!! "way to go Paula"!!!! Why do I get that Vision everytime!!!! Come on Roger, Come and Bail me out!!
 
Mid-Atlantic is still officially around? Huh.
 
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MDA/PDT merge. Yeah, thats funny Sh*t.

Kinda like the flowthrough that we have... Or we don't have, depending on who you ask. Apparently the part of our concessionarly agreement that says we flow to mainline is being convieniently ignored.

"Oh, flowthough to mainline? No, we didn't mean THIS mainline!"
-US AIR MEC
 
MDA has been sold to Republic. The MDA guys have flow back rights to PDT but the PDT MEC is trying to deny the MDA guys of their right to come back. This charge is led by the PDT MEC Chairman and his minions
 
That's a load of crap. I remember the whole deal of the MEC telling people not to turn in resignations so that they could flow back.
 
Yes, that is a load of crap.
 
The last time that I talked to my LEC rep about the whole issue was about 6 weeks ago and I was told several situations are interfering with the possible return of PDT/ALG pilots.

1. The company management is against it.

2. The position of the UMEC is that any MDA/CEL pilot will be senior to a CEL pilot that didn't move to MDA. That would mean that in the future if U recalls all of their pilots and starts to hire through the flowthrouh the most junior MDA pilot would be senior to any CEL pilot that stayed at PSA/PDT/ALG. That wasn't part of the original agreement.

3. The MDA/CEL pilots will be included in the USA/AWA merger agreement, while any other CEL pilot has no part in the merger agreement.

4. It is my understanding that the PDT MEC is against any agreement that permits the MDA/CEL pilots to bypass the seniority of any other CEL pilot just because they exercised their right to bid MDA.

Personally I believe the MDA/CEL pilots should be allowed to flow back to PDT/ALG with a few limitations:

1. They must have come from either PDT or ALG before they went to MDA.

2. They must bid for an open position.

3. Their return will not result in any current pilot losing his/her job.


Note:
I am not a MEC/LEC member nor do I speek for either the MEC or LEC.
 
NCFlyer said:
The last time that I talked to my LEC rep about the whole issue was about 6 weeks ago and I was told several situations are interfering with the possible return of PDT/ALG pilots.

1. The company management is against it.

2. The position of the UMEC is that any MDA/CEL pilot will be senior to a CEL pilot that didn't move to MDA. That would mean that in the future if U recalls all of their pilots and starts to hire through the flowthrouh the most junior MDA pilot would be senior to any CEL pilot that stayed at PSA/PDT/ALG. That wasn't part of the original agreement.

3. The MDA/CEL pilots will be included in the USA/AWA merger agreement, while any other CEL pilot has no part in the merger agreement.

4. It is my understanding that the PDT MEC is against any agreement that permits the MDA/CEL pilots to bypass the seniority of any other CEL pilot just because they exercised their right to bid MDA.

Personally I believe the MDA/CEL pilots should be allowed to flow back to PDT/ALG with a few limitations:

1. They must have come from either PDT or ALG before they went to MDA.

2. They must bid for an open position.

3. Their return will not result in any current pilot losing his/her job.


Note:
I am not a MEC/LEC member nor do I speak for either the MEC or LEC.
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Your right the company MGT is against the flow back.

And the MEC did tell people not to resign so that they could flow back.

The reason the the US Air MEC gave the "super-seniority to the CEL guys at MDA" was in response to the current MEC Chairmans comment that "We no longer represent you" and he told the US Air MEC that they would not be allowed to flow back. So our MEC in fact caused the problem of a) not letting them come back, and b) allowing US Air MEC to grant them rights they are not entitled to, c) jeopardizing the future for the rest of us who stayed at PDT with the thought of advancing through the established flow though.

As far as your conditions. Those are the rules but they would come back with their seniority and would be able to hold any position that their seniority could hold.
 
Dash8301 said:
As far as your conditions. Those are the rules but they would come back with their seniority and would be able to hold any position that their seniority could hold.
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It may be to my disadvantage but as long as any PDT/ALG pilot could carry their relative CEL seniority to MDA, it is only right to allow the MDA pilot who choses to return have their relative seniority on their return.
 
Dash8301 said:
Your right the company MGT is against the flow back.

And the MEC did tell people not to resign so that they could flow back.

The reason the the US Air MEC gave the "super-seniority to the CEL guys at MDA" was in response to the current MEC Chairmans comment that "We no longer represent you" and he told the US Air MEC that they would not be allowed to flow back. So our MEC in fact caused the problem of a) not letting them come back, and b) allowing US Air MEC to grant them rights they are not entitled to, c) jeopardizing the future for the rest of us who stayed at PDT with the thought of advancing through the established flow though.
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That about sums it up. The U mec did the right thing by putting those guys on their list. They are flying under the U certificate, they have to be on the U seniority list.
 
What's your source on management being against MDA guys flowing back? Source on the MEC chair stating he didn't represent MDA guys anymore?

You can't believe everything you read on the wall or here.

This matter is being worked on and will be resolved to some extent.
 
Oh and I personally heard the Current MEC Chairman say "We don't represnt CEL pilots". I do not visit "the lav wall" due to the fact that there is no way to know who posts what.
 
They are trying to come to PSA and get Capt. pos. also!
 
3. The MDA/CEL pilots will be included in the USA/AWA merger agreement...,




Care to elaborate? Enquiring minds,and all that!;)


PHXFLYR:cool:
 
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LandRoverNut said:
They are trying to come to PSA and get Capt. pos. also!
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Who is "they", former PSA CEL guys getting laid off from MDA or APL guys laid off from U? Anyone trying to go from U or MDA to PSA is a whole other can of worms since those little jets are the very jets traded for jobs. With APL guys having rights to 50% of the seats at PSA, if they're now considering furloughed MDA guys on the APL, they're SOL at PSA.

I agree, FUBAR. AMF.
 
Dash, you sure they're "current" MEC members?
 
lear24 said:
Who is "they", former PSA CEL guys getting laid off from MDA or APL guys laid off from U? Anyone trying to go from U or MDA to PSA is a whole other can of worms since those little jets are the very jets traded for jobs. With APL guys having rights to 50% of the seats at PSA, if they're now considering furloughed MDA guys on the APL, they're SOL at PSA.

I agree, FUBAR. AMF.
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To the best of my knowledge, there are no PSA CEL guys at MDA. If so I doubt there would be a problem with them coming back here as the agrement stated that furloughed CEL pilots could flow back to their origional carrier. That seems to be the point of contention on the PDT side of the fence. The question at PSA is whether there are still backfill vacencies as well as some of the people on the MDA furlough list's eligibility for the J4J program.
 

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