PDT and ALG work rules?

cheezpilot

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Just curious. Somewhere on this board I read that the work rules at ALG and PDT still have not been met with the new contracts of Comair, ACA, and Air Wisc. I was wondering what these work rules are?
 

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there are tons of them please be more specific. I dont want to type the whole contract on here
 

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Here are some work rules at ALG, If they could take you down to 1 day off a month they would. Then you would be Jr manned out of that one even though your close to the top of the sen.list !!ASA and Comair I think they fly RJs. What are they??? If mainline pilots could scope the amount of times I got laid per week they would!! If you have the chance to go to ASA or Comair by all means GO!!!! this place SUX!!
 

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I used to work at PDT, and at the time they had the best regional contract in the industry. They had a real min day and real rigs back in the early 90's, which Comair still doesn't have. They were the best paid regional pilots too, but I'm not sure if they still are. They also don't have high-speed trips, and many other things that are allowed at Comair. I'm not sure if things have changed that much, but I think PDT's contract is still superior in some ways. Of course, I don't think their future is too bright, and contract problems at mainline are a big part of the problem.

The moral? Get a great contract, go out of business. Be careful what you ask for.
 

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What are the rigs at ALG? What is third year CA pay in the dash? What is first year FO pay in the dash? What is uprgrade time? Do you have a specific requirement to upgrade (like Skywest requires 1000hrs of time at the company and I think Comair requires 3000tt,dont quote me on that)? What are minimum days off? Line guarantees? Max amount line can be built too? I'll just ask these to start. Thanks
 

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Cheez, ALG INFO... 1st year FO pay 24.55 per hour . 3rd year capt. pay 46.16. Upgrade time was running 2 to 2.5 years prior to the current fiasco. The only requirements to Upgrade that I know of is your ATP written and poss. 1000 hours, but I am not sure on that. Min. days off is 10. 75 hour guarantee. I dont know if there is a max time for flying but if you start getting up to 100 in a month scheduling will put the cabash on you so you don't go over. When times were good 90 hours in a month was the usual thing now the lines are around 80 to 85 for line holders. The min pay day is 4 hours for lineholders 3.5 for buildup holders and 2.75 for reserve guys. 75 hours for the month still applies
 

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"ALG INFO... 1st year FO pay 24.55 per hour . 3rd year capt. pay 46.16. Upgrade time was running 2 to 2.5 years prior to the current fiasco. The only requirements to Upgrade that I know of is your ATP written and poss. 1000 hours, but I am not sure on that. Min. days off is 10. 75 hour guarantee. I dont know if there is a max time for flying but if you start getting up to 100 in a month scheduling will put the cabash on you so you don't go over. When times were good 90 hours in a month was the usual thing now the lines are around 80 to 85 for line holders. The min pay day is 4 hours for lineholders 3.5 for buildup holders and 2.75 for reserve guys. 75 hours for the month still applies......."

Just wondering if you have 75 hour/month over the daily guarantee or if I were a line holder and had 10 days off would I be payed 80 hrs in a 30 day month and 84 in a 31 day month. Do the reserve guys have a 55hr a month guarantee or 75? Do you have a trip or duty time rig also, or is it just the daily and monthly? Is it a daily look back situation or monthly? Also, 100 hours is the max for 121 so that is why they stop you. Thanks for the initial info.
 

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I have no clue what your question is. all pilots get 75 hour min monthy pay. That means no matter what you will be paid 75 hours. If it works out because of assignments and such you end up with 75 hours with 3 days left in the month, those last 3 days were reserve and you have a reserve line. and you did not work your pay for the month would be 83.25 hours. 3 days of reserve pay 2.75 hours each. It does not matter what you have done previously. No rigs. I just figured out your question, the answer is no you do not get more $ for more days in the month. If you did not work the whole month you would get 75 hours pay. Another thing is we have premium pay for any day over 12.5 hours plus many ways to make premium pay for extensions and such so getting paid 95 hours in a month would usually but not always mean actually flying around 85 hours. This is very general description but an average bottom line
 
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Thanks, I was wondering if we missed something in our contract but it sounds like we have the same stuff. However, wer have a duty and trip time rig also, more days off, time and a half for working on your days off, and a little better turboprop CA pay. Your FO pay is very good for starting. It is the same as our CRJ FO pay for starting.
 

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cheezpilot,

I'd like to fine tune your information on SkyWest upgrade requirements a bit. SkyWest requires, among other things, "1000 hours of Company flight time or equivalent". The equivalent includes time that was Part 121 and crew and multi and turbine. So if someone had 1000 hours at another Part 121 carrier flying flying multi-engine turboprops or jets, that requirement would be met the day they set foot on the property.
 

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SkyWest Andy

Sorry about not getting my facts totally straight. I have a friend at Skywest and he told me that, but he had no previous crew or turbine 121 time, so he needs 1000 hours. Air Wisc requires only that you have the seniority to hold it. That is why we previously had such high time requirements (two and a half years ago it was 2500tt, 1000multi, 500 turbine). We have in the past (about three years ago) had new hires go into a CA position.
 

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While many of our work rules are now becoming standard, the main thing that still sets our contract apart is the ability to get soft credits -- or premium pay. A simlified explanation is that if you are aked to be extended beyond your original trip, they must pay you premium pay for all duty hours beyond two hours past the original end of the trip. Premium pay is based on duty time and is paid at 1/2 your hourly rate on top of any flying you actually do. You are not obligated to take the trip if it goes beyond four hours of your original trip. While this premium pay is rare these days because of the Airways situation, it was not uncommon for two year FO's toping 40K per year and Capt. making over 100K. We have had guys in the past making well over 200 hours of flight pay in one month, while actually flying approx 95 hrs. That is hard to do, but 150-160 is more common for a month. Some don't like the extra work and are happy with their 80-90 hrs each month. But if you wanted to make some serious cash -- it WAS there.

Like I mentioned earlier, we now have guys on furlough and the overtime is beginning to dry up. As it should, we should not accept a trip they are unable to cover when we have guys on the street and so many downgraded FO's. If we are somehow able to survive this whole RJ thing happening now, ALG could once again be a great place to work. We are being asked to give concessions now and you can bet they would love to gut our contract. Most concessions given up will be pay and not work rules, such as premium pay. We have fought very hard in the past to obtain a cutting edge contract and right now it kinda hurts us in these negotiations. We will no doubt have a fight on our hands to keep our contract intact, but I think it's worth fighting for. I just hope we will be around in the future to benefit from it. Time will tell.
 

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ALG and PDT

I've been hearing so much from the ALG and PDT guys (and gals) about how things are falling apart over there. Is there anything coming up in the near future which may signal a resolve to the current situation? Is this something which could eventually spiral into companies scrambling for Chapter 11 protection? I assume a large part of this is due to the whole LOA 81 thing. I'm just curious. My thoughts are with all of you folks. Flying is great... it's just too bad we have all that management BS to deal with.

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We as WO can't go into bankruptcy ourselves (we are not really companies, we are cost centers for ML) So if ML goes so will we. The current problems are a result of poor management and the completely unexplainable refusal of ML pilots to allow their fellow group pilots ie WO pilots to operate ANY rj's. What loa 81 basically says is that IF the WO ever get rj's, half of the pilots required to fly them would be furloughed ML pilots. What that means to ALG as of now is if we replaced all of our 47 Dashes with RJ's we would have to furlough 200 additional pilots and downgrade another 100 pilots (to make room for the ML guys). All this is out of an alg pilot group with just over 400 pilots on the list. Also ML guys would have super senionrity over ALG guys and get paid Cpt. rates in both seats. And after all this mgmt and the ML pilots actually say "they don't understand why we won't agree to LOA 81"
PS we are also required to give up furlough protection as well. Yea it's a great deal!
 
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