PCL proposes to increase FO pay

[ataopsdave]

The funny thing about it is that the director quoted the wrong rate...he told the new hires they will be getting 30 an hour starting on Nov 1 but that is actually what they proposed for 2 nd year...first year only went up about 1 dollar...morons down there

 

[Dumb Pilot]

First year rate....

Current................ Proposed

20.73..................... 21.83


Yee Haw!

Now you can supersize at McD's

 

[Flyer1015]

Now you can supersize at McD's

No, you still can't at that rate.

 

[PCL_128]

Nothing new here. This has already been tried by managements at ASA and CMR. Both MECs turned it down without even considering it, and the PCL MEC has done the same. If management wants to solve their staffing problem, then they need to fix their outdated contract.

Burn in hell, Phildo.

 

[Flyprdu]

I hope they do! The newhires need to realize ALPA isn't "the enemy" for turning down the F/O-only 1st/2nd yr pay raise. The company is trying to drive a wedge right between the pilot group.

Any FO on the line understands the importance of an all or nothing approach.

The only people they might have a chance of convincing are the 6 people who are in training at the CEC.

 

[Weasil]

After they tried this same ******************** at ASA, our SAPA chairman at Skywest sent out a system wide email claiming how evil ALPA was for not wanting to give newhires a raise. It was so telling to see how little our own supposed representative doesn't understand about basic negotiating. Good Luck you guys.

 

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Nothing new here. This has already been tried by managements at ASA and CMR. Both MECs turned it down without even considering it, and the PCL MEC has done the same. If management wants to solve their staffing problem, then they need to fix their outdated contract.

Burn in hell, Phildo.

Aren't you at another airline now?

 

[DX Rick]

Aren't you at another airline now?

He's the guy, who after graduating high school, returns every weekend and tries to impress the high school kids with his new college t-shirt.

He's a B-717 Co-Pilot.....isn't he so groovy!?
First job he's never had to pay for.

 

[sinkrate]

I don't think too many new hires are falling for this one. Like one said in the crew room -

they want to give me a pittance of a raise now and then screw me out of ten times as much when a I upgrade. I'm not as stupid as they think.

He seemed insulted more than anything else.

 

[redflyer65]

That's funny stuff. But painfully true. Good for him.

 

[Rook]

He's the guy, who after graduating high school, returns every weekend and tries to impress the high school kids with his new college t-shirt.

He's a B-717 Co-Pilot.....isn't he so groovy!?
First job he's never had to pay for.

Who Sharted on your cereal this morning?

 

[TurboAWD]

Mgmt want to do this to:

1) Divide the pilot group

2) help the hiring problem

3) help them get a contract that allows them to pay the pilots less.

anyone that thinks this is a good deal for any pilot needs their head examined.

Turbo

 

[Flyprdu]

You know, the memo that had this "great news" about 1st-3rd year FO rates had the same tone as the "Sick calls require doctors' notes"...

I think they've poisoned the well. There is no such thing as good news in memo form anymore.

 

[redflyer65]

What I find amazing is that most of the memos like the sick policy have no ones signature or name on them. They are too embarrassed to even admit it.

Look at the vacation slide memo. It was never signed. Guess who was behind it? He finally admitted it after being backed in a corner. Not surprising really.

 

[Smarta$$]

It's funny, a management stooge stopped at two newhire pilot classes at Nonconnah and told everyone they were getting a huge payraise.

Once the union turns down this pay increase, new hires will hate ALPA. ALPA will try to explain to them what the company is really doing, but the newhires (especially those whose first airline is Pinnacle) just won't get it.

It gets worse, one new-hire pilot called his wife and told her she can 'get ready' to quit her second job cause of this pay increase.

The proposed first year pay raise was $1.12. You would not even know the difference.

It will not happen. I think even the new hires with very few exceptions will see through this management trick.

To new hires: Don't expect a raise or a contract anytime soon.