PCL proposes to increase FO pay

[Weasil]

After they tried this same ******************** at ASA, our SAPA chairman at Skywest sent out a system wide email claiming how evil ALPA was for not wanting to give newhires a raise. It was so telling to see how little our own supposed representative doesn't understand about basic negotiating. Good Luck you guys.

 

[405]

Nothing new here. This has already been tried by managements at ASA and CMR. Both MECs turned it down without even considering it, and the PCL MEC has done the same. If management wants to solve their staffing problem, then they need to fix their outdated contract.

Burn in hell, Phildo.

Aren't you at another airline now?

 

[DX Rick]

Aren't you at another airline now?

He's the guy, who after graduating high school, returns every weekend and tries to impress the high school kids with his new college t-shirt.

He's a B-717 Co-Pilot.....isn't he so groovy!?
First job he's never had to pay for.

 

[sinkrate]

I don't think too many new hires are falling for this one. Like one said in the crew room -

they want to give me a pittance of a raise now and then screw me out of ten times as much when a I upgrade. I'm not as stupid as they think.

He seemed insulted more than anything else.

 

[redflyer65]

That's funny stuff. But painfully true. Good for him.

 

[Rook]

He's the guy, who after graduating high school, returns every weekend and tries to impress the high school kids with his new college t-shirt.

He's a B-717 Co-Pilot.....isn't he so groovy!?
First job he's never had to pay for.

Who Sharted on your cereal this morning?

 

[TurboAWD]

Mgmt want to do this to:

1) Divide the pilot group

2) help the hiring problem

3) help them get a contract that allows them to pay the pilots less.

anyone that thinks this is a good deal for any pilot needs their head examined.

Turbo

 

[Flyprdu]

You know, the memo that had this "great news" about 1st-3rd year FO rates had the same tone as the "Sick calls require doctors' notes"...

I think they've poisoned the well. There is no such thing as good news in memo form anymore.

 

[redflyer65]

What I find amazing is that most of the memos like the sick policy have no ones signature or name on them. They are too embarrassed to even admit it.

Look at the vacation slide memo. It was never signed. Guess who was behind it? He finally admitted it after being backed in a corner. Not surprising really.

 

[Smarta$$]

It's funny, a management stooge stopped at two newhire pilot classes at Nonconnah and told everyone they were getting a huge payraise.

Once the union turns down this pay increase, new hires will hate ALPA. ALPA will try to explain to them what the company is really doing, but the newhires (especially those whose first airline is Pinnacle) just won't get it.

It gets worse, one new-hire pilot called his wife and told her she can 'get ready' to quit her second job cause of this pay increase.

The proposed first year pay raise was $1.12. You would not even know the difference.

It will not happen. I think even the new hires with very few exceptions will see through this management trick.

To new hires: Don't expect a raise or a contract anytime soon.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

The proposed first year pay raise was $1.12. You would not even know the difference.

It will not happen. I think even the new hires with very few exceptions will see through this management trick.

To new hires: Don't expect a raise or a contract anytime soon.

Come on now, after taxes that's good for an extra couple or three gallons of gas...per week.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

A friend of mine at another regional said he got a message from his company to not jumpseat on us because we are not safe. It is embarrassing to hear this from peers in our industry practically every month.

I dont believe this at all, your friend is filling you full of Bullshlt, or your friend works at GoFU(kingwalkhomeJet.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

GoFU(kingwalkhomeJet.

Thats a new one. I'm not protesting the name though.

 

[lancair360]

Honey, I'm getting a $1.12/hr payraise! You can quit that job now and lets get started on a family.

 

[hoover]

Do you really think a $1008 higher salary for new hires is going to solve the staffing problem? If the difference between taking a job and not taking a job comes down to a mere $84 more a month before taxes, then you guys deserve to be underpaid.

Take the raise. It costs you nothing and it won't do a damn thing to solve the staffing problems. It's a freebie.

 

[PCL_128]

Take the raise. It costs you nothing and it won't do a damn thing to solve the staffing problems. It's a freebie.

Really bad advice. The first year raise isn't the issue. The issue that will affect staffing is the second year raise that the company is proposing. They want to up second year pay to $30/hr from the current $24/hr. That's a big difference, and represents about an additional $6,000 in pay for the average second year pilot. With lots of Pinnacle's attrition problems coming from second and third year FOs, doing anything to stem that tide would be a major strategical error for the MEC. Of course, the PCL MEC isn't that short-sighted, so I'm sure it isn't even being considered anyway. The correct strategy is to stand firm and demand a complete contract. I'm sure the MEC will take the appropriate action.

 

[n52gp]

I haven't worked over there for a year now, but I hope y'all give it to phil t. and the gang where they(all airline mgt.) have been giving it to us (pilots) for years.

 

[Quack]

Give em hell fellers, i'm out!!!

 

[Flyer1015]

It was hilarious listening to CS, [when asked regarding ongoing pilot contract negotiations], his response about "bottom line and values for the shareholders." Might as well add, "at the expense of the employees."

 

[Flyprdu]

Take the raise. It costs you nothing and it won't do a damn thing to solve the staffing problems. It's a freebie.

It has really very little to do with the rates. It has everything to do with leverage. If the MEC gives the company this, management loses any motivation to come to a TA, since all their problems are "solved."

They preserve the majority of the 2004 pay scale, and "new and improved" FO rates to advertise to keep the fresh meat coming through the front door.

I think that it's a risky assumption to think that new pay rates won't solve their staffing issues. A raise might actually solve their issues.

Right now, FO pay rates at 9E are embarrassing, and they want to change it. Let it be the impetus for a whole TA - no more cherrypicking.