PCL proposes to increase FO pay

[Gr82Aviate]

The proposed first year pay raise was $1.12. You would not even know the difference.

It will not happen. I think even the new hires with very few exceptions will see through this management trick.

To new hires: Don't expect a raise or a contract anytime soon.

Come on now, after taxes that's good for an extra couple or three gallons of gas...per week.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

A friend of mine at another regional said he got a message from his company to not jumpseat on us because we are not safe. It is embarrassing to hear this from peers in our industry practically every month.

I dont believe this at all, your friend is filling you full of Bullshlt, or your friend works at GoFU(kingwalkhomeJet.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

GoFU(kingwalkhomeJet.

Thats a new one. I'm not protesting the name though.

 

[lancair360]

Honey, I'm getting a $1.12/hr payraise! You can quit that job now and lets get started on a family.

 

[hoover]

Do you really think a $1008 higher salary for new hires is going to solve the staffing problem? If the difference between taking a job and not taking a job comes down to a mere $84 more a month before taxes, then you guys deserve to be underpaid.

Take the raise. It costs you nothing and it won't do a damn thing to solve the staffing problems. It's a freebie.

 

[PCL_128]

Take the raise. It costs you nothing and it won't do a damn thing to solve the staffing problems. It's a freebie.

Really bad advice. The first year raise isn't the issue. The issue that will affect staffing is the second year raise that the company is proposing. They want to up second year pay to $30/hr from the current $24/hr. That's a big difference, and represents about an additional $6,000 in pay for the average second year pilot. With lots of Pinnacle's attrition problems coming from second and third year FOs, doing anything to stem that tide would be a major strategical error for the MEC. Of course, the PCL MEC isn't that short-sighted, so I'm sure it isn't even being considered anyway. The correct strategy is to stand firm and demand a complete contract. I'm sure the MEC will take the appropriate action.

 

[n52gp]

I haven't worked over there for a year now, but I hope y'all give it to phil t. and the gang where they(all airline mgt.) have been giving it to us (pilots) for years.

 

[Quack]

Give em hell fellers, i'm out!!!

 

[Flyer1015]

It was hilarious listening to CS, [when asked regarding ongoing pilot contract negotiations], his response about "bottom line and values for the shareholders." Might as well add, "at the expense of the employees."

 

[Flyprdu]

Take the raise. It costs you nothing and it won't do a damn thing to solve the staffing problems. It's a freebie.

It has really very little to do with the rates. It has everything to do with leverage. If the MEC gives the company this, management loses any motivation to come to a TA, since all their problems are "solved."

They preserve the majority of the 2004 pay scale, and "new and improved" FO rates to advertise to keep the fresh meat coming through the front door.

I think that it's a risky assumption to think that new pay rates won't solve their staffing issues. A raise might actually solve their issues.

Right now, FO pay rates at 9E are embarrassing, and they want to change it. Let it be the impetus for a whole TA - no more cherrypicking.

 

[redflyer65]

As suspected, the company sent these letters to the home addresses of all First Officers to try and illicit the help of those at home. Unbelievable.

The union's response was to enter into accelerated negotiations to solve all open section. The company says the union is bargaining in bad faith!

Next up, the company will sent out letters to all non-union employees and tell them that 'we tried to give them more money but they turned it down'.

Wait and see. You heard it hear first.

 

[redflyer65]

Took less than a week for the memos to be posted in MSP..

We tried to give the pilots money and they didn't take it, they will run our company in to the ground, blah, blah, blah...


How did I know that was coming?

 

[Flyer1015]

Divide and Conquer


Acts of warfare apply very well to airline management.

 

[CrownandCoke]

Took less than a week for the memos to be posted in MSP..

We tried to give the pilots money and they didn't take it, they will run our company in to the ground, blah, blah, blah...


How did I know that was coming?

good, I'll write STFD on it tomorrow.

 

[arthompson]

There is an upside to my current situation, no more of those bs letters set to my home.

 

[Flyprdu]

Did managment honestly think that the pilot group would accept the FO rate raise? Consider the following:

If the rates were accepted:
1. They just ratified rates that are well below industry average.
2. Managment obtains a recruiting tool

If the rates are rejected:
1. Shows the Mediator that managment is attempting to bring something to the table.
2. Pits new FOs and established union pilots against each other
3. Allows managment to begin a propaganda campaign against the union. This includes all other employees of the company.

This leads me to a point: this proposal was set up to intentionally fail. It was a win-win. If they got the union to sign on, boom - there's the raise, and for cheap. If not, they've got a very effective wedge tool and a "greedy pilot" story.

Let's see what the union has in response. Well played, sirs. Well played.

 

[PCL_128]

Don't give them too much credit. Phildo and friends are just following the age-old anti-labor play book. Nothing creative or original here. Phildo is too busy getting all dressed up for his next Memphis high-society (such as it is, anyway) party. He doesn't have time to actually earn his ridiculous paycheck by thinking up these strategies all on his own.

 

[Smarta$$]

Did managment honestly think that the pilot group would accept the FO rate raise? Consider the following:

If the rates were accepted:
1. They just ratified rates that are well below industry average.
2. Managment obtains a recruiting tool

If the rates are rejected:
1. Shows the Mediator that managment is attempting to bring something to the table.
2. Pits new FOs and established union pilots against each other
3. Allows managment to begin a propaganda campaign against the union. This includes all other employees of the company.

This leads me to a point: this proposal was set up to intentionally fail. It was a win-win. If they got the union to sign on, boom - there's the raise, and for cheap. If not, they've got a very effective wedge tool and a "greedy pilot" story.

Let's see what the union has in response. Well played, sirs. Well played.

The mediator is there to help the two parties agree on a NEW contract. This proposal would be an amendment to the OLD contract and has nothing to do with the current mediated sessions. If anything, a smart mediator would see this as an attempt to avoid negotiating a NEW agreement.

 

[redflyer65]

The REAL fact is that the company hasn't done squat at the negotiation meetings.

Let me clarify...

NOTHING.

 

[USCtrojan]

The REAL fact is that the company hasn't done squat at the negotiation meetings.

Let me clarify...

NOTHING.

Neither did ASA's. We started to FLY SAFE. That's when things changed. I strongly encourage the Pinnacle Pilots to make sure everything is as it should be when they walk on their flight decks. Make sure everything is working properly at all times. That's just doing your job and there isn't a dam thing Mgmt. or the FAA can do to you for it.

Trojan