PCL proposes to increase FO pay

[redflyer65]

What's up with the info on increasing FO pay, but not working toward a full and retroactive contract?

Is this serious?

 

[CoATP]

They are trying to drive a wedge in the Pilot group. Don't think it will work.

 

[Lazy8]

What's up with the info on increasing FO pay, but not working toward a full and retroactive contract?

Is this serious?

Management proposed a FO pay increase that would bring our rates within a few percent of industry average, but they still haven't addressed many other issues (work rules, benefits, etc.) - so it's nothing good.

We're only getting 4-8 people per new-hire class now. It would appear the ball is finally back in the pilot group's court if we stand together on this. Negotiations continue later this week.

 

[redflyer65]

The more I think about it, I think you guys are right. Throw some increase pay at the new junior guys. The company knows that the union will turn it down.

Now that leaves the new hires (people that have never been involved in this stuff) scratching their head and wondering where their money went. It will be the union's new job to inform these new members what the company is up to.

Plus the added bonus of the company putting a memo out to all other work groups claiming they offered more money but got turned down!

Interesting play.

 

[gran_fan]

4-8

"We're only getting 4-8 people per new-hire class now"

youre kidding,
right?

Btw,
any Idea if they will ever open the west coast bases they were talking about before they've announced ATL?

 

[Flyprdu]

If this amendment goes through, any hopes for a full contract will up and vanish like a fart in the wind.

 

[Lazy8]

"We're only getting 4-8 people per new-hire class now"

youre kidding,
right?

Btw,
any Idea if they will ever open the west coast bases they were talking about before they've announced ATL?

Nope, their new-hire classes are a ridiculously small. What does it say about an airline that will hire someone with 200 hours and still can't even fill up a class?

Pinnacle has the potential to be a great place to work and they could fill their classes. The management here is just never willing to invest into it's own company enough to compete with other regionals. We've got some great people here; however, management's business model of "Run understaffed & pay them nothing" has gotten the best of most folks. So far, they have not tried to compete for pilots - they've only drastically lowered their standards.

A friend of mine at another regional said he got a message from his company to not jumpseat on us because we are not safe. It is embarrassing to hear this from peers in our industry practically every month.

 

[Flyer1015]

It's funny, a management stooge stopped at two newhire pilot classes at Nonconnah and told everyone they were getting a huge payraise.

Once the union turns down this pay increase, new hires will hate ALPA. ALPA will try to explain to them what the company is really doing, but the newhires (especially those whose first airline is Pinnacle) just won't get it.

It gets worse, one new-hire pilot called his wife and told her she can 'get ready' to quit her second job cause of this pay increase.

 

[Lazy8]

It's funny, a management stooge stopped at two newhire pilot classes at Nonconnah and told everyone they were getting a huge payraise.

Once the union turns down this pay increase, new hires will hate ALPA. ALPA will try to explain to them what the company is really doing, but the newhires (especially those where Pinnacle is their first airline) just won't get it.

It gets worse, one new-hire pilot called his wife and told her she can 'get ready' to quit her second job cause of this pay increase.

Hopefully our union reps are coming in to chat with the classes specifically about this too.

 

[Flyer1015]

Hopefully our union reps are coming in to chat with the classes specifically about this too.

I hope they do! The newhires need to realize ALPA isn't "the enemy" for turning down the F/O-only 1st/2nd yr pay raise. The company is trying to drive a wedge right between the pilot group.

 

[flyf15]

It gets worse, one new-hire pilot called his wife and told her she can 'get ready' to quit her second job cause of this pay increase.

Wow, that dude isn't being screwed by the company or by ALPA... he's being screwed by his own stupidity.

From what I've heard from friends about the new rates, they're still below industry average. They just seem good because Pinnacle's pay is so completely horrible right now, that just bringing it up to "pretty much sucks" is a huge improvement.

So to you, Mr. My Wife Doesn't Need To work, I congratulate you. You have no concept of how poor you're going to be, raise or not.

 

[sweptback]

ASA management tried to do the same thing to our first year FOs. Told them in new hire class that they'd be getting a big raise, then asked the MEC to endorse a pay raise for 1st year FOs.

The MEC told them if they want the pay raise, finish the contract and give everybody a raise. I'd say the response was pretty positive, and a few months later we had a TA.

It's right out of the Ford & Harrison playbook... try to draw a wedge between factions of the pilot group.

 

[WIPilot]

what is the proposed increase?

 

[Lazy8]

what is the proposed increase?

a f'ing joke

 

[redflyer65]

First year rate....

Current................ Proposed

20.73..................... 21.83


Yee Haw!

 

[ataopsdave]

The funny thing about it is that the director quoted the wrong rate...he told the new hires they will be getting 30 an hour starting on Nov 1 but that is actually what they proposed for 2 nd year...first year only went up about 1 dollar...morons down there

 

[Dumb Pilot]

First year rate....

Current................ Proposed

20.73..................... 21.83


Yee Haw!

Now you can supersize at McD's

 

[Flyer1015]

Now you can supersize at McD's

No, you still can't at that rate.

 

[PCL_128]

Nothing new here. This has already been tried by managements at ASA and CMR. Both MECs turned it down without even considering it, and the PCL MEC has done the same. If management wants to solve their staffing problem, then they need to fix their outdated contract.

Burn in hell, Phildo.

 

[Flyprdu]

I hope they do! The newhires need to realize ALPA isn't "the enemy" for turning down the F/O-only 1st/2nd yr pay raise. The company is trying to drive a wedge right between the pilot group.

Any FO on the line understands the importance of an all or nothing approach.

The only people they might have a chance of convincing are the 6 people who are in training at the CEC.