Paying for cass

[737 Pylt]

Forgive me if this was already posted (I did a search and couldn't find it), but I just read on the ALPA forum that Ho Jets pilots are paying for thier own cass......Say it isn't so!
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[PCL_128]

I believe they've backed off of that idea, but I haven't confirmed it yet.

 

[Auburn_CFI]

Who cares if they are in CASS, is anyone allowing them on their jumpseats? I haven't seen one but they must have some trying to commute.

 

[pilotbrain]

Forgive me if this was already posted (I did a search and couldn't find it), but I just read on the ALPA forum that Ho Jets pilots are paying for thier own cass......Say it isn't so!
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Not paying for cass...this will get deleted again because its flamebait.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Not paying for cass...this will get deleted again because its flamebait.

Actually, it will not get deleted again because it was true. Your pilot leadership had agreed to pay for CASS, but has since gone back and told the company no.

Make no mistake, you guys were on track to pay for CASS.

 

[swordfish]

Actually, it will not get deleted again because it was true. Your pilot leadership had agreed to pay for CASS, but has since gone back and told the company no.

Make no mistake, you guys were on track to pay for CASS.

One question for you, have you ever heard of contract negotiations?

So what your saying is where’re NOT paying for cass, your point is!

 

[silverfish]

Commutair is paying for CASS.

 

[cheeeese]

swordfish,

yes i heard of contract negotiations....i also know my mec chairman was not a former flight manager/management kiss @ss. does it not bother you that DT will probably sign in whatever HK wants....and then when he has done his duty he just goes back and plays a role in mgmt. similar to the role he had at TSA. so basically....yes we have heard of contract negotiations...hojets isn't the same. you guys suck.

 

[Longhorn]

Dave's Kid....where are you buddy!!

 

[pilotbrain]

swordfish,

yes i heard of contract negotiations....i also know my mec chairman was not a former flight manager/management kiss @ss. does it not bother you that DT will probably sign in whatever HK wants....and then when he has done his duty he just goes back and plays a role in mgmt. similar to the role he had at TSA. so basically....yes we have heard of contract negotiations...hojets isn't the same. you guys suck.

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[redbook]

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here is what you said Pilotbrain

"You clearly missed his point. Managment said if we want it, we can wait until the new contract is negociated....which will be years if ever, or , we can pay for it ourselves it we want it now. The pilots all said no....we don't need it enough to pay for it...end of discussion.

Anything else you may add is just more insults and mudslinging that has been going on for more than a year now....nothing new coming from your side.

ALPA's only strength....sling mud, call names, and throw a tantrum. Time to change your diaper"



The part that was music to my ears...."new contract....years if ever"

Enjoy your alter ego whipsaw airline g0jet pilots.

 

[PCL_128]

Does any of this really matter? CASS or not, they'll never ride on my airplane. Frickin' SCABs.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Does any of this really matter? CASS or not, they'll never ride on my airplane. Frickin' SCABs.

I'm so tired of you using that word where it is not appropriate! Do you even know what it means? For the last time, it's "fargin' " not "frickin' ". Sheesh.

 

[suupah]

Commutair is paying for CASS.

how much is it going to cost you guys?

 

[8HourPilot]

I know a couple dudes that commute, mainline seems to not care that much.

 

[XJAVRO]

Does any of this really matter? CASS or not, they'll never ride on my airplane. Frickin' SCABs.

Dude, bad idea not letting people on your jumpseat. I think they are scum bags too, but if one wants a ride on my plane I would smile and let them on. I don't think I would say another word to the fool, but he could have a ride. One day one of your pilots might need a ride on them, and pay back sucks.

 

[Shrek]

Sores are not SCABS but all SCABS are sores.

 

[PCL_128]

Dude, bad idea not letting people on your jumpseat. I think they are scum bags too, but if one wants a ride on my plane I would smile and let them on. I don't think I would say another word to the fool, but he could have a ride. One day one of your pilots might need a ride on them, and pay back sucks.

The jumpseat is a professional courtesy offered from one pilot to another. GoJet SCABs are not professionals, so they get no courtesy. Period.

 

[Longhorn]

oh man.....here we go again!!

im not stepping in on this one good luck pcl_128...incoming any minute now

 

[airjackson]

according to the "union" leader of gojet, and I will paraphrase,

"we didn't want the company to use CASS as a negotiating tool so we took it off the table by paying for it ourselves."

Now, these boys may have since had second thoughts, but let there be NO doubt, they were indeed prepared to pay for it. Keep in mind that CASS is a relatively cheap program which greatly increases a pilots' ability to commute, thereby reducing sick-calls, missed work, etc. The company gains much more in return by implementing CASS.

 

[PCL_128]

good luck pcl_128...incoming any minute now

Happy happy, joy joy!!!

 

[CA1900]

how much is it going to cost you guys?

I think about a buck a week or so. It's a little different scenario, though: When CASS came out, the company basically said, "We can't afford it," and that was the end of it. (Ah, the joy of having zero negotiating leverage...grrr.)

Anyway, we came to the company and asked again, and they made a proposal: They'd foot the bill for the initial setup (many thousands of dollars), if we'd pay the monthly maintenance fee, which I think is around $600 a month. The pilot group overwhelmingly wanted this, not the company, and since many of us commute, it was a resounding "yes." The fee is divided by the number of active employees covered by CASS, so the more pilots we have, the lower the individual fee is. We have about 130 pilots right now, so you do the math. We expect the pilot group to increase substantially as we phase the Dash-8 in, so that'll lower the individual contribution.

Ideally, we'd like to have it without the maintenance fee, and hopefully we'll get to that point. For now, though, it's better than not having it at all, which right now is the only other option we have. At this point, however, nobody is being charged anything, because we're still going through the process of adding CASS. Not sure how long it'll take; you know how bureaucracy is.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Whether GJ pays for CASS or not, does it really matter? As long as they are not on your airlines 'approved JS list', they cannot occupy the jumpseat. Period. CASS approval or not.

If they try to take a seat in the back without checking in with the crew, then go back and tell them to leave you aircraft; They are violating jumpseat protocols and do not deserve to catch a ride.

Rekks

 

[pilotbrain]

Yet again, another example of how petty the Anti -GoJet few are. They couldnt handle all the sentiment that was going on for the victims of the Comair accident and had to find some way to redirect the conversation back to the bashing of GoJet pilots. Hence the CASS lies. You have stooped to a new low.

 

[cheeeese]

Yet again, another example of how petty the Anti -GoJet few are. They couldnt handle all the sentiment that was going on for the victims of the Comair accident and had to find some way to redirect the conversation back to the bashing of GoJet pilots. Hence the CASS lies. You have stooped to a new low.

that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. i guess i should stop my entire life out of respect. i can't believe you even said that. you must be about 5 years old. i saw some people were killed today on the highway, and i also saw somebody was shot to death. when will i ever be able to get back to my normal life. don't use a tragedy as a cruch for your poor, thoughtless, backstabbing decisions.

by the way, we aren't few. and they aren't lies. go support your flight manager mec chairman. did you know he tried to be a big wig in the tsa union and after losing, threw a hissy fit and cried all the way to Gayjet. you must be so proud. bad luck to you.

 

[ReportCanoa]

"we didn't want the company to use CASS as a negotiating tool so we took it off the table by paying for it ourselves."

That's a good strategy.

 

[ATTCS]

Makes you wonder what they will take off the table next....per diem, some work rules, pay increases...

 

[Beanie]

A lot of these GJ pilots that you guys think won't ever work for a major, already do. A fair portion of the GJ pilot's are furloughed mainline pilots, not 500 hr wonders with "SJS". Not sure of the exact numbers, but I know that several guys and gals from AA are there. If you regional guys think for a second that a mainline pilot is not going to give a ride to a pilot who is furloughed from their airline when GJ's get CASS, because they went to work at some regional that you don't like, your nuts. They don't care who they work for. All my AA buddies think that GJ's did their guys a favor by making them Captains and paying them for it. They went to GJ's because they were not going to go to work as a F.O. at some "bar raising" regional for $20.00/hr first year and the mainline guys can't blame them.

In case you guys don't know it, your regional airline doesn't want you to be a lifer. There economic models are based on MOST of you leaving before you hit the "higher" end of their payscales. They don't want to pay a bunch of 10 or 15 year captains. They want to replace a 5 year captain with a 3 year captain, or a 7 year captain with a 5 year captain. Same for F.O.'s. They not only want to make money, they are trying to incite you to leave through the pay. If you think that they are going to give in and keep you because you are so valuable, your wrong. The longer you are there, the bigger liability you become. They don't care if you move on to the next level or not, they just want you gone. Fed-ex or Wal-mart, they don't care, just leave and take your higher paying position with you so a lower payed guy can replace you and keep the profit margins up.

 

[737 Pylt]

Whether GJ pays for CASS or not, does it really matter? As long as they are not on your airlines 'approved JS list', they cannot occupy the jumpseat. Period. CASS approval or not.

Yes it does really matter, because now it has turned into a bargaining chip! If they choose to pay for it affects everyone, not just the selfish pricks who have chosen to step on their fellow aviators by working there!
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[ATTCS]

Whether GJ pays for CASS or not, does it really matter? Rekks

Look at the airline history. What happens at one airline will snowball to the others. B scale pay, pay to play, pension plans just to name a few things. Seriously, look at the history of this industry. What happens at one airline affects all of us.

Don't you think YOUR airline is now considering the pilots paying for CASS???