Pay Raise at Ram Air

[Fuzzy_is_Hungry]

For any of you out there who were considering Ram Air as a job, the pay has just been increased to 80 per day to start with a $2000 bonus after one year. So come to Ram, get in a twin in two weeks, get that multi time, then go wherever you want!

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

Does Ram haul anything other than checks? How are you dealing with Check 21?

How does it look a year from now?

Thanks

 

[greygoose]

why do you think they increased the pay and have a bonus?

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

why do you think they increased the pay and have a bonus?

Ouch, I think I may have to pay for multi afterall

 

[imacdog]

why do you think they increased the pay and have a bonus?

Probably because even with the raise there are numerous check haulers that pay much better than $80 per day, and without single engine planes.

 

[Art Vandalay]

Probably because even with the raise there are numerous check haulers that pay much better than $80 per day, and without single engine planes.

Just curious, but who are these companies?

 

[Snakum]

there are numerous check haulers that pay much better than $80 per day, and without single engine planes

Who dat?


Minh

 

[H/C172/T]

Pay

Package Express in Concord N.C. pays $90/day and has a $1000 bonus at 6months and an additional bonus of $1500 if you stay one year.

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

Yea, 80 vs. 90 a day. I think they're anticipating the impact of less and less checks

 

[imacdog]

My company pays me $120-140 per day depending on the run to fly GPS/full deice/autopilot/radar/oxygen equipped 310s. We don't have any singles. There is another operator (Capital City) that flies in the same region as us that flies PA-34s and Navajos that I understand pays about the same as us, plus benefits. Ameriflight pays more than $80 per day, and they hire straight into the 402s and Navajos. There is an operator in New Mexico flying 310s and 402s paying around $115 per day. This is a good time to get a job with a check hauling operator, and a great way to build multi experience, not just multi time.

 

[Snakum]

Package Express in Concord N.C. pays $90/day and has a $1000 bonus at 6months and an additional bonus of $1500 if you stay one year.

Do dey got a twin, dough? An if'n so ... how long til ya'll kin git innit?


Minh

 

[j41driver]

...get that multi time, then go wherever you want!

Riiiight....

 

[Fuzzy_is_Hungry]

Here's the deal though, Ram has no multi minimum. I'm sure companies like Ameriflight have some kind of multi engine requirement. A guy in my new hire class had 30 hours of multi. He was in the PA34 the second week on the line.

 

[imacdog]

Our new guy has around 30 multi as of hire date. I know Ameriflight publishes a multi minimum but I know a couple guys that got hired into the PA31 with well under 100 or whatever it is. Many of these operators are looking for pilots now that the regionals are hiring. Things were different as little as six months ago, now it seems that finding qualified pilots is becoming difficult.

 

[Fuzzy_is_Hungry]

Riiiight....

Pilots that have spent 6 months at Ram have gone to just about any regional you can name and some have gone onto corporate gigs.

 

[Fuzzy_is_Hungry]

... now it seems that finding qualified pilots is becoming difficult.

I agree. I am one of the instructor pilots at Ram and we are washing out around 40% of new hire candidates simply because they can't fly basic instrument stuff.

 

[Hobit]

Fuzzy,

At what point are you deciding to wash them out (ie +/- 100 feet etc.)?

What is the most frequent short coming that you are seeing and what are their backgrounds?

 

[Fuzzy_is_Hungry]

Most of the potentials are coming from CFI jobs. We only hold people to Commercial Standards. And now its not on day one, we give leniency, they are probably learning a new plane, the PA32. New hires get three training flights and two "ride alongs" to get it right. This equates to about 10-11 hours of flight time. They are even given a fourth training flight on Friday morning before the checkride if needed. So if they can't fly the airplane by then, what can we do?

Most people that wash out have no idea how to shoot a GPS approach. In reality, its just basic IFR stuff. The company needs to know that these guys/gals are going to be able to handle it. We routinely shoot approaches to mins.

 

[Xfr8dog]

Yeah but you said, "...and go wherever you want". Can you get the multi time and go to Southwest or UPS? ;-)


I think its a dam shame that I was making 100-120/day as a BIKE MESSENGER in Philly almost 10years ago and there are professional pilots today making less than that! The universe just isn't right.

 

[imacdog]

To add to what Fuzzy said, which I agree with, our company is very big on training pilots who are going to be able to handle making command decisions in all weather day and night conditions that will keep them safe, while at the same time being able to handle low weather situations and conditions which they might not have been exposed to yet. The actual flying part is important but keeping cool under difficult situations is a big part of being sent off on your own.