Pay for Jeppeson Charts?

[KeroseneSnorter]

Holy crap!!!! I would work shoveling horse dung before I would buy charts to fly for an underpaid overworked freight outfit!!!!!!!!


No wonder the regionals have no problem filling seats at 18k a year!!!! At least they buy the charts!


I have heard it all now.

 

[falcon20driver]

Christ, the FedEx feeder that I flew Caravans for paid for my Jepp subscription, now I really know what brown stands for.

 

[buckdanny]

No wonder the regionals have no problem filling seats at 18k a year!!!! At least they buy the charts!

No offence, but it is not underpaid as you may think it is. I was actually making more in the Lance than first year pay at the majority of the regionals!!! And now I'm going to the Chieftain I will be making a little more too. We even get paid during training too, unlike again some regionals... I agree the chart issue is a problem though. Unfortunately it is company policy for us to get Jepps... Otherwise I'd definitely use NOS.

Ameriflight is one of the best 135 in the country, there is no doubt. Personally I am frustrated over some personal issues, and it is the main reason I can't wait to bail. That only regards me though. If you want to know some of them see my thread from 3 days ago. If you want to know more feel free to PM me.

Buck

 

[buckdanny]

Christ, the FedEx feeder that I flew Caravans for paid for my Jepp subscription, now I really know what brown stands for.

Everything is relative. At the layover, I get to rest in a 2 bedroom apartment with fitness center, pool, and spa. To get there I have a crew car (brand new 4 door ford focus) waiting for me when I land. All of this provided by the company. There is a Fedex caravan going to that airport too, that stays all day there as well. The pilot hangs out at the FBO, or sleeps in the airplane. Not cool when it's 110 outside. Maybe it was different at your feeder, but that's how it is for those guys here... Personally I would rather pay for my jepps and have that kind of comfort at the layovers. Can't have everything I guess.

Buck

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

I don't know about now, But I never saw a freight hauler that was not underpaid for what you do. At least not when I was humping a Baron around for a 1000 hours a year in the dead of night. That is about 10 years ago though (Man.......I am getting OLD!!!!!!!!)


Fun memories though.......If I block out the engine failures, radio failures, complete electrical failures, gear failures, ice(No boots), Monster thunderstorms with a broken radar, and eating Ramen Noodles 5 times a week!! (TV dinner the other 3 when I splurged.

On the plus side I learned more about IFR flying there than I did at a Corporate gig and two airlines since then.

You are now at the peak of your IFR skills, once you go 121 it is all down hill from there. "The flight director is acting up???????? How are we supposed to fly now!!?? Enjoy your next gig, especially when the CFI training with you in the sim is freaking out, and you are thinking......Whats this tools problem...its only 200 and a half, barely worth shooting an ILS.

 

[Rick1128]

Jepps

Tundra, the biggest complaint I have always had about company supplied Jepps was that the flight crews don't keep them current and don't do the annual checklists. At least when I had my own charts I KNEW what state they were in. Personally I prefer to use Jepps, but NOS are easier to update and cheaper.

 

[OneMotorFokker]

Ameriflight

Ameriflight is not a bad place to work. There are several drawbacks though like not being able to jumpseat and having to pay for your own charts. But bhe experience you get here will stay with you for the rest of your career. Companies know that a pilot who works for ameriflight can make it through difficult training, put up with an unusual schedule and fly in all conditions single pilot. Come here, get your time in and move on. The company doesn't expect you to stay forever and the most you'll want to do is probably a couple of years before you move on.

 

[fokkers&beer]

At least you guys had radar in your barons, even if it only worked sometimes.

 

[Wasted]

I don't know about you guys but FAR 135.83 States

(a)The operator of an aircraft must provide the following materials, in current and appropriate form, accessible to the pilot at the pilot station and the pilot shall use them:

(1) A cockpit checklist
(2) ya da ya da ya day
(3) Pertient aeronautical charts.
(4) For IFR operations, each pertient navitional en route, terminal area, and approach and let down chart.
etc.
I would sure hate to be the operator who would have a NASIP inspection and find that several aircraft through the operation did not have current charts. At over $10000 fine for each take off and landing the operator would be better off to pay for the subscription then rely on several dozen knucklehead pilots.

I don't know whether it is worth falling on your sword over this one but the regulation are pretty clear.

They will tell you in indoc that your pay includes an allowance for the charts. So they are actually in full compliance.

 

[SpiffAV8]

Wasted

They will tell you in indoc that your pay includes an allowance for the charts. So they are actually in full compliance.

True they do say that. Yet the pilots out of DFW and CVG make the same amount as everyone else. The bad part about the Jepps out of those bases is that they are falling apart and are not always up to date. I don't even want to think about how it would be if the comapny put a set in every airplane! I am sure that is why the company chose to go the route they did. Nor can I blame them. It has been an on going issue when it comes down to the pay part. Honestly, I don't mind having my own set of charts. At least I know they are up to date, in good shape and they are never missing.