Pay for Jeppeson Charts?

[hudsonhawk]

Is it standard for a company to make their pilots pay for their own subscription to Jeppeson. The cost is around $323. I heard that Ameriflight makes their pilots pay this. Has anyone else had to pay. Thanks!!

 

[buckdanny]

Yes they do. It sucks, but that's the way it goes if you want to work here. It's tax deductible though. Oh and they treat us like slaves too. Good luck brother, I feel your pain. I'm outta here in 4 weeks!!!



Buck

 

[FracCapt]

That's been going on at AMF for many, many years. I worked there back in '97 and they required it then. Luckily, I was in the aircraft that had charts supplied(Metros, Beech 1900s, and Lears all had full US charts). We still got stuck doing the updates though....unless we happened to have an FO to do 'em. It was the least they could do since we had to babysit them in the airplane....it kept 'em busy for a few legs each month.

At AMF, if you're based anywhere out west, you have to supply your charts. Stupid, but true. People are willing to do it, so they won't change that requirement. For some reason, they supply all the charts when you get east of Arizona/Utah area(I think that's about the right area). You need to get out to Texas or CVG to really avoid it. I think CVG is all Metros and Beech 1900s(it was when I was there), but Texas has everything from the Navajos on up.

 

[hudsonhawk]

No leather binders!

Thanks for the input guys. I sucked it up and got the subscription for the western states. I decided not to go with the premium, cushy leather binders though. Plastic will be just fine for cargo. I am excited to start with Amflight. I only wish they would help with more of the initial costs.

 

[TundraT]

I don't know about you guys but FAR 135.83 States

(a)The operator of an aircraft must provide the following materials, in current and appropriate form, accessible to the pilot at the pilot station and the pilot shall use them:

(1) A cockpit checklist
(2) ya da ya da ya day
(3) Pertient aeronautical charts.
(4) For IFR operations, each pertient navitional en route, terminal area, and approach and let down chart.
etc.
I would sure hate to be the operator who would have a NASIP inspection and find that several aircraft through the operation did not have current charts. At over $10000 fine for each take off and landing the operator would be better off to pay for the subscription then rely on several dozen knucklehead pilots.

I don't know whether it is worth falling on your sword over this one but the regulation are pretty clear.

 

[buckdanny]

Hudson,

What base and a/c are you getting? Are you in the next ground school? I bought my binders on e-bay for $35, and they are leather. E-bay is a good way to get nice stuff for cheap. Just a thought!

Buck

 

[FracCapt]

I don't know about you guys but FAR 135.83 States

(a)The operator of an aircraft must provide the following materials, in current and appropriate form, accessible to the pilot at the pilot station and the pilot shall use them:

(1) A cockpit checklist
(2) ya da ya da ya day
(3) Pertient aeronautical charts.
(4) For IFR operations, each pertient navitional en route, terminal area, and approach and let down chart.
etc.

I don't know whether it is worth falling on your sword over this one but the regulation are pretty clear.

Yep, the regs are very obvious in this regard...unfortunately, so is the letter from their POI that absolves them of the responsibility of providing charts and ensuring they are current...the burden falls on the pilots. It's a dirtbag operation in a nice suit, that's all.

 

[Super_Cub_2414P]

Why don't you use noaa charts like most freight dogs?

 

[StarChecker]

Yes they do. It sucks, but that's the way it goes if you want to work here. It's tax deductible though. Oh and they treat us like slaves too. Good luck brother, I feel your pain. I'm outta here in 4 weeks!!!



Buck

Geeeeezus...sounds like a great place to work.... . Use NOS charts....at least AirNet provided them.

 

[hudsonhawk]

Buck

Thanks for the advice. To answer your question, I start ground school this month in Burbank. I am not sure which plane or base I will receive. Where are you off to after Amflight? Do you enjoy working there? My reason for going to Amflight is to build the coveted 1000 hours PIC turbine. After that, who knows. I would like to fly for FED-EX or UPS but that's a long shot.