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Delta May Move for Talks With Union to Cut Pilot Costs
Wednesday February 5, 4:34 pm ET
By Nicole Harris, Staff Reporter of The Wall Street Journal


ATLANTA -- With UAL Corp. (NYSE:UAL - News) , US Airways Group Inc. and AMR Corp. (NYSE:AMR - News) aiming to slash labors costs, Delta Air Lines Inc.'s chief executive suggested for the first time that the No. 3 airline is moving toward talks with its pilots' union about cutting expenses.

Speaking at the Goldman Sachs Annual Transportation Conference, Leo F. Mullin said Delta was watching the moves of other airlines at it relates to labor costs. "We're hanging out there with a hugely expensive pilot contract," he said. "We're going to have to have some conversations to see what we can do about it. We'll see how those go."

Faced with an industrywide financial crisis made worse by the terrorist attacks of 2001 and the rise of low-fare competition, the nation's airlines have been trying to cut their costs. Delta's pilots currently fetch the highest pay in the industry but, as other airlines go to their labor groups for significant concessions, Delta faces pressure to do the same to remain competitive.

Mr. Mullin's statements come as Delta rivals such as United Airlines and US Airways, both operating under Chapter 11 bankruptcy-court protection, have already won wage concessions from key labor groups.

US Airways has cut its labor costs by more than $1 billion a year, or about 27%. Meanwhile, United is currently negotiating for $2.4 billion in labor savings, or a 34% reduction. That is on top of the interim wage cuts -- valued at $840 million on a yearly basis -- the carrier has already won. On Tuesday, AMR's American Airlines asked its unions to agree to permanently cut pay and benefits and revise work rules to lower costs by 25%, as the airline struggles to recover financially.

Delta has a considerable labor advantage over rivals because most of its workers are nonunion. As such, the airline is able to unilaterally impose changes in work rules, pay and benefits for its flight attendants and airport- gate agents without lengthy labor negotiations. But Delta's more than 9,000 pilots are represented by the Air Line Pilots Association. The airline and the union wrangled over its current contract in 2001, when ALPA threatened to strike and many pilots staged a job action. Under the contract, the pilots are slated to get a 4.5% raise in May.

Karen Miller, a spokeswoman for the Delta pilots union group, said Delta management hasn't yet approached the union to talk about concessions. "At this point we have received no request from management for concessions," she said. " We're always open to listening to management's concerns but, until they come to us with something specific, we're not going to speculate as to what they're planning."

A Delta spokesman declined to elaborate on Mr. Mullin's remarks.
 
I doubt any of the non ch-11 airlines will keep there present payscale or senority list. (Except Southwest or JetBlue)

When management comes to the pilots and wants you to fly for SW or JB wages, throw it back and tell your CEO's to make what the JB CEO makes... $200,000/year + stock options..(CNN Nov2002). I bet they would laugh in your face.. Anyone else want to jump in on that?
 
Please notice that Leo Mullin and Fred Reid are taking a 10% pay cut to their salary only---but last year each got well over $1mil in stock options. Also, Leo said only the pilots (unionized) would need a pay cut, and no other workforce (nonunion) would need a pay cut. If we were doing that bad, don't you think that EVERYONE would be taking a pay cut? Obviously Leo wants to show the nonunion people that he is trying to take care of them.
How about everyone chipping in? Leo wants to get free cuts, and that will not be easy when only the pilots and certain execs (who make a lot more--in options etc) take cuts. I think the pilots will eventually agree to some sort of cuts, as long as our brothers and sisters in other work forces join in somehow--and that includes ASA/Comair. Hey, it's only fair, right?

Bye Bye---General Lee:cool: :eek: ;) :confused:
 
General Lee said:
Please notice that Leo Mullin and Fred Reid are taking a 10% pay cut to their salary only---but last year each got well over $1mil in stock options. Also, Leo said only the pilots (unionized) would need a pay cut, and no other workforce (nonunion) would need a pay cut. If we were doing that bad, don't you think that EVERYONE would be taking a pay cut? Obviously Leo wants to show the nonunion people that he is trying to take care of them.
How about everyone chipping in? Leo wants to get free cuts, and that will not be easy when only the pilots and certain execs (who make a lot more--in options etc) take cuts. I think the pilots will eventually agree to some sort of cuts, as long as our brothers and sisters in other work forces join in somehow--and that includes ASA/Comair. Hey, it's only fair, right?

Bye Bye---General Lee:cool: :eek: ;) :confused:

Well........you can't have it both ways General. If ASA and Comair are not really part of DAL (like DALPA says) then why should we take a pay cut? We are both making money for DAL. If you want to put us on your list and if we get all mainline benefits, then I'll share the pain and take the same pay cut that you do. Sound fair?
 
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With all the fanfare over Song and how successful its gonna be you need to negotiate an exchange for your pay cuts. Perhaps something like stock options & profit sharing. It's got to be a sure winner for the pilots. After reading all your posts in strong support of Song's business plan, you should see the hidden gold mine in that! :D
 
BLZR,

By the way, Delta cannot just change the pay scales. Everything has to be negotiated---we have a contract. (And any pay scale change will have a snapback----no doubt there---or it stays the same)

Delta's Execs --Leo and Fred---each made over $500,000 in Salary, plus another $1.2 million each in options---last year.

And remember, Delta lost a lot less than the other majors last quarter. We lost a total of $320mil, and $120mil of that was one of those one time charges---that supposedly don't come back. We knew in advance that this last quarter was our weakest. Our CFO believes that we will break even for the next three quarters--which is better than losses. We have more cash than anyone except Southwest, and another $5 billion we can mortgage. We put $65 million into Song, and another $30 million into new self-check-in kiosks (about 700 more) at major airports. Things are coming along fine at Delta--and we are adapting to the LCC threats, unlike most other Majors. AA lost close to $1Billion for the quarter, and UAL lost $1.5 billion ---or $500 million a month for three months. Now look again at Delta's $200 million loss (without the charge). We hedge fuel better than anyone--which will help during the Iraq war. We will be around after all of this, and probably buy up most of the pieces. I don't expect to see Jetblue or Southwest taxiing next to me in Rome anytime in the near future.

Bye Bye---General Lee:cool: :D
 
Speedbird,

We don't have to do anything--the payscale in the contract is not subject to force mejeur. We have the upper hand here. Notice that Leo Mullin is taking a paycut--salary only--and wants us to take one too. But, he said that no Non-union employees will have to take a cut. Hmmm. If we were doing that bad, wouldn't everyone have to take a cut? Why only union pilots and some Execs that will get the Board of directors to reinstate their wages a lot sooner than we would be able to. Anything we would negotiate will have a snapback---no doubt there. And, we have not been offered any options etc, but if we got the deal Leo and the boys get---I bet we would take it. Nothing has been asked of us yet, and we have not offered anything. I am sure we would take a cut, but as long as EVERYONE shared in it along with us---including ASA/Comair. Why not? It seems fair. I think we are doing a lot better than the other guys, and have less unions and far more flexibility than the other guys. We hedge fuel better than anyone else, and will ride this Iraq thing out. We will do well on Spring Breakers to FLA----from NE and thru ATL, and then summer will be around the corner. Jetblue will eventually feel the heat of Song, and then we'll see how we all do. By the way---I love the name of your new A320---Song sung blue. We'll see how everyone does when we get up to speed.

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool:
 
General Lee said:
Speedbird,

We don't have to do anything--the payscale in the contract is not subject to force mejeur. We have the upper hand here. Notice that Leo Mullin is taking a paycut--salary only--and wants us to take one too. But, he said that no Non-union employees will have to take a cut. Hmmm. If we were doing that bad, wouldn't everyone have to take a cut? Why only union pilots and some Execs that will get the Board of directors to reinstate their wages a lot sooner than we would be able to. Anything we would negotiate will have a snapback---no doubt there. And, we have not been offered any options etc, but if we got the deal Leo and the boys get---I bet we would take it. Nothing has been asked of us yet, and we have not offered anything. I am sure we would take a cut, but as long as EVERYONE shared in it along with us---including ASA/Comair. Why not? It seems fair. I think we are doing a lot better than the other guys, and have less unions and far more flexibility than the other guys. We hedge fuel better than anyone else, and will ride this Iraq thing out. We will do well on Spring Breakers to FLA----from NE and thru ATL, and then summer will be around the corner. Jetblue will eventually feel the heat of Song, and then we'll see how we all do. By the way---I love the name of your new A320---Song sung blue. We'll see how everyone does when we get up to speed.

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool:

Again General, why should ASA or Comair take a pay cut to "share the pain" when we are not (according to DALPA and ALPA) part of DAL. No gain, no pain.

I fully expect a pay raise in our next contract, not a pay cut.
 
Sleepy,

Ok, what? No gain, no pain? Well, who gives you your paychecks? Who is buying your new RJ's? Without Delta, you might not be feeding anyone right now and out of work. I know what you are saying though. I think one list would be fine, if you were stapled. If you and your senior guys could agree to that, then everything would be fine. Date of hire will not do at Delta. If you can live with that, then fine. When Delta comes out of this after the Iraq deal, we will be stronger. And when we eventually start hiring again, those of you at ASA will eventually benefit.


Bye Bye--General Lee:cool:
 
From the General...

When Delta comes out of this after the Iraq deal, we will be stronger.
We have the upper hand here
I think we are doing a lot better than the other guys
We hedge fuel better than anyone else,
We have more cash than anyone
Things are coming along fine at Delta--and we are adapting to the LCC threats, unlike most other Majors.
We will have 36 757's by the end of the year, providing more seats with better entertainment systems
we have more cash than anyone---and not losiong it as fast as AA
All I am saying is that Delta is not doing as bad as AA or UAL
The economy will eventually rebound, and the Iraq thing will be over quickly
Delta has more cash and mortgageable assets than almost anyone
Man, What are you smokin???
 

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