Pay Comparison Misnomer

[Andy]

SWA is my 4th airline. Q of L is better here than anywhere..trust me

You list AD, F9, HP, WN. Is AD Aspen Mountain Air?
http://www.avrefdesk.com/two_letter_airline_codes.htm

While it is a sampling of various airlines, it's not the most comprehensive list in the world, and by no means does it make you an authority to say that Q of L is better there than anywhere. How do you know it's better at Southwest than at JetBlue?

 

[Andy]

Face it, you f up!! You move on and so does life! Be glad you were able to get on AD.

In this business, you never know if you made the right choice until the day that you retire. Even then, you usually don't know with any certitude.

 

[cactuspilot]

You list AD, F9, HP, WN. Is AD Aspen Mountain Air?
http://www.avrefdesk.com/two_letter_airline_codes.htm

While it is a sampling of various airlines, it's not the most comprehensive list in the world, and by no means does it make you an authority to say that Q of L is better there than anywhere. How do you know it's better at Southwest than at JetBlue?

a little birdie told me

 

[canyonblue]

Pay? Obviously it wasn't the key since I applied to SWA in 2000.

737? Didn't care, at any airline I'm in a seat looking out a window. Behind the cockpit door is not important to me.

Domestic? Hotel is a hotel, it's still away from home.

The number one reason I wanted to work at Southwest was the culture, and it is still incredible. I still enjoy going to work more than any other previous job and even most of the 15+ year Captains I fly with still feel that way. Unfortunately they like it so much that they don't want to leave, ever. If someone is applying to Southwest because it has higher payrates think again. No one can guarantee our pay past September of this year.

 

[Andy]

a little birdie told me

Dude, don't let the AME know that. He may not renew your medical.

 

[Thedude]

AD was actually Lone Star Airlines. They were bought by a conglomerate in Aspen and partially changed the name to Aspen Moutain Air. I know cause I worked there.

 

[Andy]

AD was actually Lone Star Airlines. They were bought by a conglomerate in Aspen and partially changed the name to Aspen Moutain Air. I know cause I worked there.

Ah, yes. I see that from this website: http://www.ruidoso.net/reservations/lonestar.htm

Daily flights to Del Rio, TX. Yep, that'd be an airline that I'd use as a gold standard for QOL in the aviation industry.

But I guess anyone that was able to make $15K in a month as an FO at Southwest must know what he's talking about.

You can stay at home and sit on your ass all month or fly alot and collect $15k a month. I've done both as an FO @ SWA.

 

[SWA/FO]

Southwest is awesome baby.... Its the best job in the whole World. We even have the best Pilots too.. We rule, you're jealous. :cartman:

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

hey big slit,

those two guys that quit were in my class, and one quit because his wife just left him and th other just couldnt stand sittin in the right seat. Yes both were military and both were Kolonels.

 

[CaptainMark]

Southwest is awesome baby.... Its the best job in the whole World. We even have the best Pilots too.. We rule, you're jealous. :cartman:

you are right..just this morning i was behind swa in fog in an unnamed airport and they were cleared for t/o and taxied across the runway onto the other side and lined up on the other taxiway..we all should be jealous

 

[Big Slick]

Falcon Jet1,

Sorry, these two guys got out of the AF as Captains. Must be a couple of other dudes that quit.

I was in Albuquerque with one of them recently in the airport. Naturally, our government contract had us flying on SWA. He was telling me about the last time he was at KABQ as a SWA FO. He said he was literally running across the airport trying to get some lunch in time to turn the jet. We both laughed. He has no regrets. He's a Major in the guard flying F-16s.

SWA is not for everyone.

-Big Slit

 

[radarlove]

Sounds like a p&ssie to me.

Oh heavens, "running across a terminal!"

The cool thing is to think of the millions of dollars he gave up.

 

[Big Slick]

Yeah, my F-16 war-veteran buddy is a real p$ssy.

Hey Radar Love, have you heard the good news?

The Canadian oil sands are hiring folks to work as miners. You get paid $120,000 U.S. dollars a year to be a miner - this is for real. You need no job skills or education. All you have to do is be willing to work in an oil sands extraction plant on the Canadian plains. They have medical benefits, a 401k and stock options. With the increase in oil prices lately, the stock should be worth a fortune someday.

If you started mining oil sands when you were 18 and worked until you were 65, you could make millions. Think of how much your 401k and stock would be worth after all that time.

Radar Love, since you only care about money and not about quality of life, this sounds like the perfect career for you. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[Falconjet]

Hows the schedule and quality of life up there in those oil sands?

How long on reserve?

Inquiring minds you know.

FJ

 

[radarlove]

Yeah, my F-16 war-veteran buddy is a real p$ssy.

Hey Radar Love, have you heard the good news?

The Canadian oil sands are hiring folks to work as miners. You get paid $120,000 U.S. dollars a year to be a miner - this is for real. You need no job skills or education. All you have to do is be willing to work in an oil sands extraction plant on the Canadian plains. They have medical benefits, a 401k and stock options. With the increase in oil prices lately, the stock should be worth a fortune someday.

If you started mining oil sands when you were 18 and worked until you were 65, you could make millions. Think of how much your 401k and stock would be worth after all that time.

Radar Love, since you only care about money and not about quality of life, this sounds like the perfect career for you. I wish you the best of luck.

If some kernel can't hack walking across a terminal to grab lunch, then yes, he's a p&ssy. Sorry. An F-16 driver doesn't really work particularly hard, sometimes one sortie a week, sounds like he likes that pace. So, he's a p&ssy.

And he will be materially poorer for being such a p&ssy. That's good news.

I'm not quite sure where the comparison to being an oil worker in remote Canada and having to walk down the terminal in ABQ to buy lunch came in, but the good news, to me is, that the p&ssy who couldn't hack walking all the way down the terminal will make less than even oil workers in Canada.

To me, that is true Karma. A p&ssy who costs himself a fortune because he's lazy. What's not to love about that?

If he's really a friend of yours, can you honestly tell us he's not a p&ssy?

 

[Falconjet]

Radar: you are starting to sound like one to me.

FJ

 

[Big Slick]

How old are you Radar Love? You seem immature. Am I arguing with a guy still trying to get his CFI?

I'm not sure why you insist on calling us p&ssies. You should join the Air Force and come to pilot training. I'll personally volunteer to be your instructor pilot. You can find out first hand how easy it is to be a miitary pilot.

Anyone who has worked hard enough to get hired by SWA could handle the workload if they wanted - military or civilian. Not everyone wants to do 20 minutes turns for the rest of their life.

It has become blasphemy to say anything even mildly derogatory about SWA on this forum.

 

[Benhuntn]

I just took a pi$$ and it is still blue. I must be full of koolaid. I have a lot of mil experience (28 yrs). I have been to 162 airports in 142 countries. I never minded the 11.5 hr legs, but did hate doing two of tem in 1 day with 15 hrs crew rest. My civilian experience is far less but I look forward to dealing with real air traffic controlers with real radar,that speak english as a first lang. So am I this newbie guy you talk about?

Yep and comparing my military flying experience to SWA-it is much easier here, it is better paid and it is better QOL. I enjoy the 737 I could care less if my A/C is bigger or faster, in fact the SWA aircraft here are the dirtiest a/c I have flown, but I know why now. They turn 9-12 times a day making money. We don't have quite the same comradre as the military units I was in but it is close. I have had more free beer and dinners here than at anytime in my flying career and if I become a captain I wiil continue that tradition for any individual that is dumb enough to join us koolaide drinkers in the SWA family, and that is all I am going to say about this.

 

[astroglider]

12 year Captains???

How many 12 year capts do CAL and AA have on the payroll??? To be realistic, one would have to pro rate the pay out over a career which would include the amount of time as FO and as capt in smaller planes. I don't have the inclination to look up payrates but I would assume, and I may be wrong, that one spent a lot more time making less money as an FO at CAL and AA than at SWA and were a bit behind the curve before they made the upgrade to Capt..epecially to 777 capt.

Uh, huh, huh??? 12 Captain pay = 12 years with the company...not 12 years on the 777!!!

So to answer your question virtually all Captains are in 12 year pay.

hmmmm......

 

[K-Mart]

How long did you fly the line at SWA and AA?? What made you realize SWA wasn't where you wanted to be when you hit the line?




How long were you an airline pilot??


You quit SWA and went to AA. What are you doing on Active Duty now? How much have you deployed since coming back to AD??

You never answered the questions Big Slick. Would you pleeeeeaaasseee?