Pay Comparison Misnomer

[radarlove]

How old are you Radar Love? You seem immature. Am I arguing with a guy still trying to get his CFI?

I'm not sure why you insist on calling us p&ssies. You should join the Air Force and come to pilot training. I'll personally volunteer to be your instructor pilot. You can find out first hand how easy it is to be a miitary pilot.

Anyone who has worked hard enough to get hired by SWA could handle the workload if they wanted - military or civilian. Not everyone wants to do 20 minutes turns for the rest of their life.

It has become blasphemy to say anything even mildly derogatory about SWA on this forum.

You can say anything you want about SWA, I was just commenting on the fact that some guy felt he couldn't hack the workload, culminating in actually having to walk across a terminal to get lunch. What's up with that complaint? I'm not calling you a p&ssy, I'm calling that guy one.

What's weird is that he was able to get hired in the first place, I always thought that was a pretty easy factor to weed out. I doubt SWA wants to hire guys that tremble at a busy day.

Are you honestly defending his decision as one that you would have made? If you wouldn't have made the same decision as he did, then why not?

As you probably have figured out, I don't have a lot of patience for lazy people and anyone who would make it all the way to fighters, gets an interview at one of the highest paying airlines in the world, earns a type and then freaks at how hard the job ends up being (c'mon!) to the point of actually complaining about the effort it took to walk across (sorry "run", sure) the terminal to buy lunch...that guy comes across, at least in your writing, as a complete buffoon.

If he's not a complete buffoon, tell us why. Do you think he did the smart thing?

I had a friend that got a full-ride scholarship to an Ivy League college, including housing. He was back home living in his parent's basement within nine months. Do you think I would defend him the way you defend your military colleague?

 

[K-Mart]

The Canadian oil sands are hiring folks to work as miners. You get paid $120,000 U.S. dollars a year to be a miner - this is for real. You need no job skills or education. All you have to do is be willing to work in an oil sands extraction plant on the Canadian plains. They have medical benefits, a 401k and stock options. With the increase in oil prices lately, the stock should be worth a fortune someday.

I'd rather do that than be on the government welfare train.

 

[Spudbud]

Time to ignore this tool!

Dudes--it's time to ignore the meaningless drivel that Big Slick tosses out for flame bait and let his posts fall to oblivion where they belong. He must have got bored eating Cheetos and surfing free internet porn so he's taken it upon himself to take the lead in the SWA detractor du jour contest. The SWA he quit 5 years ago is not the 400+ jet company that it is now. Hell, they even teach the -700 as the base model in new hire nowadays. Sure there are some 6-7 leg days (especially for the DAL/HOU lines due to the Wright Amendment) but with our growing transcon schedule there are 2 and even one leg days out there. It's a great place to work with an incredibly flexible schedule that lets people work as much or as little as they want. Besides--last time I checked no one else gets the 1/2/3!

 

[radarlove]

Dudes--it's time to ignore the meaningless drivel that Big Slick tosses out for flame bait and let his posts fall to oblivion where they belong. He must have got bored eating Cheetos and surfing free internet porn so he's taken it upon himself to take the lead in the SWA detractor du jour contest. The SWA he quit 5 years ago is not the 400+ jet company that it is now. Hell, they even teach the -700 as the base model in new hire nowadays. Sure there are some 6-7 leg days (especially for the DAL/HOU lines due to the Wright Amendment) but with our growing transcon schedule there are 2 and even one leg days out there. It's a great place to work with an incredibly flexible schedule that lets people work as much or as little as they want. Besides--last time I checked no one else gets the 1/2/3!

Is this the dude that quit to go to Fedex? No wonder he's grumpy.

 

[Mamma]

Uh, huh, huh??? 12 Captain pay = 12 years with the company...not 12 years on the 777!!!

So to answer your question virtually all Captains are in 12 year pay.

hmmmm......

Astroglider,
What are you talking about??? Read the post again. I'll try to make it simple for you.....12 years at AA or CAL...are you flying a 777 as a captain and making the payrates posted? If you are 12 years at SW are you a captain and making the pay posted? It's not that difficult.

 

[SWA/FO]

Anyone who has worked hard enough to get hired by SWA could handle the workload if they wanted - military or civilian. Not everyone wants to do 20 minutes turns for the rest of their life.

Cliff Notes Version: Some folks don't like to work, but they could if they were forced to that goes for military or civilian. Not everyone wants a paycheck for the rest of their life, some people like wasting time eating hotdogs sitting in airports with long duty days, getting nothing done.

You should join the Air Force and come to pilot training. I'll personally volunteer to be your instructor pilot. You can find out first hand how easy it is to be a miitary pilot.

Some of us chose not to join the air force just like some have decided not to become Southwest Airline - pilots. You should try being a civilian pilot (Oh, you are now aren't you). At least you military folks had good pay and bennies from day 1... something most civilians don't have early on.

 

[ivauir]

It has become blasphemy to say anything even mildly derogatory about SWA on this forum.

Actually several people seem to make great sport of using every opportunity to bust on SWA. A small number of SWA pilots have decided to fight back. I guess everyone needs a hobby.

SWA is what it is. I doubt many are surprised by the "workload" or lack of crew meals. No need for name calling, but any viper driver who thinks this is hard should be ashamed.

On the other hand, I have great friends who wouldn't fit in here. Not because of some personality problem, or aviation shortcoming, but simply that this isn't a job they'd enjoy. I don't think "Big Slick" (BS) is providing any public service here, it doesn't take too much research to figure out what the lifestyle at SWA would be like. BS just has a chip on his shoulder. For future referance, if you do want to say something derogatory about SWA have your feces collocated and be prepared to be challenged.

I hope the great pay comes back to the legacy carriers, and all our furloughed freinds get their jobs back. SWA is not the second coming - it is a job. Folks who think that more pay for more work is a bad deal should look elsewhere.

We need to stop arguing about pilot pay and start discussing executive compensation. SWA and SWA pilots are not the enemy. We are not the reason the industry is coming apart.

 

[Scrapdog]

You're right, we did get benefits from day one, and we worked our tail off to get them and get where we are flying fighters or heavies in the best military in the world. I never have scoffed anyone on here and I really enjoy some of the good advice that folks post on here, but please don't start down this cheesy road of comparing military flyers to civilians, it's just lame. Trust me, leading a 4 ship of fighters in a complex sortie is extremely challenging. OK, I'll shut up now...

V/R
-Scrap-

 

[Scrapdog]

As a side note, I respect FedEx, SWA, and CAL and I think each one of them presents some great qualities and benefits to a dedicated pilot - heck, I'd love to work for any of the three and I've got my app's in as we speak. I'm not scoffing any one of the operations, but this comparing civilian flying to military flying has got to stop. I've done both, and there is no comparison, it's just different.

 

[SWA/FO]

Good luck with the job search Scrapdog. :beer: