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NTSB: Airlines should weigh passengers, bags

Fri Feb 27, 6:13 AM ET

By Alan Levin, USA TODAY

The National Transportation Safety Board (news - web sites) recommended Thursday that federal regulators and the airlines develop ways to weigh passengers and their bags so that airplanes aren't overloaded when they take off. The recommendation came as the safety board concluded that the crash of Air Midwest Flight 5481 on Jan. 8, 2003, was caused by the combination of too much weight in the rear of the commuter aircraft and a maintenance mistake.


Flight 5481 crashed seconds after taking off from Charlotte/Douglas International Airport. All 21 people on board the commuter flight were killed. (Related item: NTSB (news - web sites) presentations from today's hearing)


Following the accident, the Federal Aviation Administration (news - web sites) decided that the guidelines airlines used to estimate the weight of passengers and luggage had not kept up with growing size of passengers.


The FAA, which regulates airlines, subsequently added 10 pounds to the estimated weight of each adult passenger and five pounds to each checked bag.


The NTSB's investigators found, however, that the FAA estimates didn't go far enough to guarantee some flights were not overloaded.


Weight limits are more critical on smaller planes, such as the one that crashed in Charlotte, than on larger commercial aircraft. If a flight has several unusually heavy passengers or bags on board, it is possible to create a dangerous situation, the NTSB concluded.


All aircraft have generous margins that allow them to fly safely if they are overweight or the weight is out of balance. But if an engine should die or another emergency occurs, even a slightly overweight plane could become too difficult for pilots to control.


In unusually stern language, NTSB board members also criticized the airline, the firms that performed the maintenance on the flight and the FAA for the crash.


The crash of Flight 5481 was the deadliest commercial accident in the past two years.


"Each of us was personally disturbed" at the numerous mistakes and instances of poor oversight in the airline's maintenance program, NTSB Chairman Ellen Engleman-Connors said.


"There were a lot of mistakes made here," NTSB Vice Chairman Mark Rosenker said. "I don't mind calling it sloppy."


The NTSB, which can make recommendations but not aviation regulations, issued 21 safety recommendations, including:


The FAA and airlines need to make sweeping changes to ensure that mechanics do not improvise when they repair planes. The mechanics who made the mistake in repairing the Air Midwest plane ignored at least nine steps in the maintenance manual. They told investigators that was how they had always done such repairs.


The FAA should require that mechanics check to see that critical work has been done correctly. In the Air Midwest accident and two other cases on the same type of plane, mechanics said they hadn't bothered to check their work after it was done. A simple check would have prevented the accident, the NTSB said.
 
just cause i'm skinny it'd be my luck i'd have to sit next to the biggest person on the flight...:eek:
 
Boy, I can see this one now. There will be some big tub of goo that sues because they don't have a truck scale to accomodate them.

Or because some agent or other passengers snicker when the scale pegs at 350# hard enough to bend the hand.
 
Huh?

The pax aren't too fat.

The FAA is too emasculated to require the airlines to do the right thing: Use ACTUAL weights.

The article has absolutely nothing to do with the average weight of the average passenger.

It's a story about a combination of negligent practices at one airline and the lack of oversight by the FAA.
 
Link to the synopsis

Air Midwest Flight 5481, Raytheon (Beechcraft) 1900D, N233YV

In part:

<< The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the airplane’s loss of pitch control during takeoff. The loss of pitch control resulted from the incorrect rigging of the elevator control system and the airplane’s aft center of gravity, which was substantially aft of the certified aft limit. Contributing to the cause of the accident were Air Midwest’s and the Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA) lack of oversight of the work being performed at the Huntington, West Virginia, maintenance station, the Raytheon Aerospace quality assurance inspector’s failure to detect the incorrect rigging of the elevator control system, Air Midwest’s weight and balance program at the time of the accident, and the FAA’s average weight assumptions in its weight and balance program guidance at the time of the accident.>>

The 21 recommendations to the FAA are also at the end of this synopsis.
 
Back in the days of the Trimotor i.e. 20's - early 30's. Everyone had to weigh before getting on the airplane. It's nothing new, just new now. In that accident was being out of balance a factor, sure, but it wouldn't have been had the elevator been rigged correctly. I don't see a problem with weighing peeps before they get on that Beech or RJ. If they bitch, they can sit until a bigger plane arrives.
 
It will never happen.

Lawyers are already foaming at the mouth.
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
It will never happen.

Lawyers are already foaming at the mouth.

The foaming is normal. They are injected with Rabies during lying school.
 
I have flown countless flights where the W/B was done according to "legal" weights and the plane wallowed around just like the people that got on.
 
Real numbers always work

Got a scale by the back door. It works. Don't know when that will get changed for airlines but why is it hard to understand what works? Gross weight is bad enough when it's 110 degrees out....
 
I was on a Saab 340 the other day and there was a CG/Weight problem. The FA was going through the cabin asking people for their age, so they could adjust the pax weights…miraculously the CG and weight were within limits…very comforting.
 
This might be a stupid question, but.... :rolleyes:

Why would the FA go through the cabin asking people's ages??

You can guess a person's weight just by sizing them up... you get used to doing that when you charter people in small planes. They ALWAYS seem to lie about their weight. :(
 

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