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[TDK90]

Pretty much decided NJA is where I want to be. I'm flying Part 91 right now in a Cessna 340. Pay's ok, better than 135 freight, I heard that there's a few Cape Air guys at NJA, I'd like to fly for Cape Air if I'm going to do any 135 flying. Would Cape Air be a good place to be trying to get into NJA?

Any NJA pilots out there spare a moment to let me know how you got where you are?

 

[wingnutt]

"increasing responsibilty and experience" seem to be the buzzwords...well, that and "internal recommendation"

that being said, i dont know that a 402 driver would be anywhere near competitive

 

[Diesel]

that's not really true. 75 percent of the boston base is ex cape air. that or commutair.

 

[x402]

TDK90,

If you can get on, Cape Air is a great place to bring your time up to NJA mins. Nice people, pretty good mx and all the weather you'll ever want.

Expect NJA to be doing a lot of hiring in the next few years, which should bring the competitive numbers back down. They have just started classes again and there are lots of a/c in the pipeline.

Good luck, and Diesel is right about the ex-Cape Air guys, let us know when you get ready to send in your app.

 

[wingnutt]

that's not really true. 75 percent of the boston base is ex cape air. that or commutair.

yes...but is that direct from cape, or with a stop along the way in some sort of turbine ops

 

[Diesel]

Direct from Cape. Once you get one of them on board they bring everyone they know from care. (care is cape's callsign)

In my indoc class there were 3 or 4 of them alone. I think they multiplied every week.

Great bunch of guys who know their stuff.

 

[bizjet737]

it's not the type (piston/turbine) of time but the quality of the time (ifr high-density; pax interaction) and the quality of yourself. biggest thing i flew when eja hired me was a 310 w/400hrs in it.

 

[wingnutt]

it's not the type (piston/turbine) of time but the quality of the time (ifr high-density; pax interaction) and the quality of yourself. biggest thing i flew when eja hired me was a 310 w/400hrs in it.

lol...c'mon man, the guy isnt asking what worked that many years ago. and if your in the BBJ, youve probably been there quite awhile (congrats by the way)

have you seen the mimimums (much less the competetive numbers) for NJA lately? 400 hours in a 310 wont even get one an interview, much less a class date...at least according their website

• Airline Transport Pilot Certificate
• Current FAA First Class Medical certificate
• 2500 hours total pilot time
• 500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
• 250 hours instrument time

...and in reference to the CapeAir guys, thats cool as hell. but my previous "internal recommendation(s)" post would about cover that

 

[TDK90]

Thanks guys, I'm excited about working at Cape Air. I just need a few more hours for my ATP.

 

[flyfish]

Lots of 2 pilot crew time is most important.

 

[Diesel]

Actually the most important is your ability to interact with the owners and be able to handle changes without a problem.

2 crew environment is nice but a lot of guys have come here without it. It's a nice to have but you'll learn quick.

 

[wingnutt]

interesting...

from the other netjet thread posted today...

link

More important to being competitive is that you are flying a turbine a/c as PIC. Doesn't necessarliy have to be one that we fly. Some people have been hired here without turbine time at all, but those days are probably behind us for now.

 

[flyfish]

Let me expand on that. Guys and gals from with lots of 2 pilot crew time from commuters/regionals/ corporate, I believe transition to the job the best. And I believe will given the first priority for interviews. They are used to the pace at which we operate multiple legs into and out of busy airspace and also to smaller fields. Good customer service skills to add to that...and your a shoe in. Single pilot guys with lots of IFR experience end up doing a great job too. They tend to take longer to adjust to the 2 pilot environment. My opinion only. Best of luck!

 

[x402]

One more ting about Cape Air, they are starting service with ATR 42's in GUAM. Yea, go figure but they are, so they will be needing FO's and some of that precious 2 crew time might be had.
I really think the competitive numbers will come back down as hiring increases (at NJA and elsewhere) and the fleet grows.

Remember, NJA is very top heavy in PIC's. People are going to have to accept that the days of upgrade out of indoc are gone. Be prepared to sit SIC for a couple of years, hopefully the new payscales will make that less painful than it's been for about 50 of our guys that have been stuck there for over a year.

 

[Magneto]

TDK90,

If you can get on, Cape Air is a great place to bring your time up to NJA mins. Nice people, pretty good mx and all the weather you'll ever want.

Expect NJA to be doing a lot of hiring in the next few years, which should bring the competitive numbers back down. They have just started classes again and there are lots of a/c in the pipeline.

Good luck, and Diesel is right about the ex-Cape Air guys, let us know when you get ready to send in your app.

What's your opinion on a transition from Airnet, (135 freight). I hope to spend a year or two in the Lear and then make the jump. I hear they used to call NJA "Airnet North". I hope the sentiments toward my company are still the same.

 

[$$$4nothin]

question for NJA pilots

Are the mins on the web site competitive right now, or is the TT number up in the 3500-4000 range. Also does a pilot with the minimums in piston twins have a chance in the next year or so to get an interview.

 

[aeronautic1]

I just posted

... my resume on NetJets website. I have just exceeded 2500 hours total time with 1400 hours multi of which 1010 is SIC in turbojet. Currently flying right seat in a Part 91 Hawker 400 fan (daddy likes!) and have current 8410 for Citation 550. Also Lear 20/30 SIC time. Lots of international experience. Bi-lingual in Spanish. What would you say my chences are on getting a call?

 

[flyfish]

Your chances would improve dramatically in direct proportion to the number of letters of recommendation you get from current Netjet pilots. Otherwise, your time isn't too bad, but you lack quality PIC time to offset your low total time to stand out. May happen though, you never know. Keep floggin the skies!

 

[wingnutt]

My advice is to fly for a regional or freight company that you can get time in turbines and upgrade to PIC as soon as possible. This place is not a good place to get your first turbine experience...

...and that falls more in line with what ive been told by the guys flying there

 

[CE750Driver]

Dont listen to this BS

Get your app in now. I was hired in 98. 12 in my class. I had 2550 hours. Less than 500 hours later I was a released captain in the ten. Too soon? Maybe, but I have done a good job and not bent any metal so far.

I believe how you come off in the interview was, and still is, the most important factor. Dont let these premodonna's tell you you have to fly the SR71 to get a job here.

 

[flyfish]

Get your app in now. I was hired in 98. 12 in my class. I had 2550 hours. Less than 500 hours later I was a released captain in the ten. Too soon? Maybe, but I have done a good job and not bent any metal so far.

I believe how you come off in the interview was, and still is, the most important factor. Dont let these premodonna's tell you you have to fly the SR71 to get a job here.[/QU

Get a clue. It's hardly 1998 right now. Something happened in 2001 that has changed a few things. No one is saying you need 3 lunar landings to get an interview. There's just a pile on the unemployement line that have lots of time. Letters of recommendation are the only way he's going to have chance, for a while. Glad you haven't bent any metal. Nice work, you make us all proud.

 

[stingray]

Many From Cape Air 9k are here

I personnaly came direct from Cape Air to NetJets, I had 2600hrs when I was interviewed, with some turboprop time around 50. 4 of us came here in the same month, there is probably a dozen ex cape air guys here that I personnaly know, not to mention the ones that i don't know. I still do part time work with cape on my time off. it is a great company to work for, and you will get loads of good IFR expierence flying around the cape that u would not get otherwise. Cape Air is a lot better then most people realize. Good Luck

 

[sparticusflt]

I came from CA as well, albiet in 2000, however it was good time and paid better then the regionals. I hear they got a raise and its better over there. Of course with Steve Philips as CP I would work for him any day of the week. Good guy and good group of pilots. I know a bunch of them still over there and they all still like it. Good ifr time and good flight experience. Gets mundane flying in the Cape all the time, but you can still transfer to Florida and VI. You don't need turban 121 time to get in here.

 

[CE750Driver]

Yeah guys, listen to flyfish. Might as well not put your app in. Too many experieced guys out there. No chance for you.

Sounds like a defeatist attitude to me.
Does the shoe fit flyfish?

 

[infoman]

To All,

750 Driver hit the nail on the head. You have to apply to get the call. It may sound corny, but you have to market yourself too get a call from any company. Aviation, or not.

 

[flyfish]

Yeah guys, listen to flyfish. Might as well not put your app in. Too many experieced guys out there. No chance for you.

Sounds like a defeatist attitude to me.
Does the shoe fit flyfish?

Whatever my friend, just trying to give some helpful advice. Not saying not to apply, just saying a few LOR's are what works best. I happen to talk with DM very regularly and a friend who does the interviews and both say LOR's are very important. Worked for me in 96', still works now. And, it's worked very recently for friends of mine. Best of luck, good place to hang your hat. Very soon it will be great.

 

[CE750Driver]

I agree LORs work best, just giving my advice on my experiences doing ioe's pre and post 9/11. Many guys with close to the minimum experience get the call and the job. Good luck.

 

[sweptwingz]

Netjets / L.O.R.s, the more, the better...

I've been trying to get 3 friends on here with Netjets. The first guy had 7800 hours, a little jet time, and had 4 L.O.R.s from NJA pilots that had flown with him.
We submitted his letter with L.O.R.s three weeks ago, he had an application packet within 6 days. The next two people (both high jet time) pilots with roughly
the same TT, had only one letter each. They've been waiting for over one month without a response. If you're going to get an NJA pilot to submit your resume internally, I'd recommend at LEAST 3 L.O.R.s from NJA employees. It really seems to shoot you right into the "short stack" of applications.

Good luck to all who apply!