Pandora's Black Box

[RJPilott]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8672066571196607580

enjoy..

Happy New Year All... hope everyone had a wonderful holiday...

Cheers!
Rob Balsamo

 

[JimNtexas]

According this BS, the "leading authority" on 9/11 is a Professor of Theology!

Yes, when I want to know about the 'laws of physics' I always ask a preacher!

On the other hand, these tinfoil hat nutcases will call men like NYFD Chief Vincet Dunn liars, one of the thousands of soilders, firemen, police officers, and investigators who would have to be in on the 'coverup'.

Who are we to believe? Men like Chief Dunn, an expert on tall buildings, a 20+ year NYPD fireman, a man who personally fought the fires of 9/11, and the man who literally wrote the book on Collapse of Burning Buildings ?

Or some nutcase preacher who has found a way to sell books to silly people by engaging is mass libel and slander against thousands of honest, dedicated profesionals?

 

[RJPilott]

Hi Jim,

How are ya? Hope you're doing well.

The film above covers the Flight Data Recorder as provided by the NTSB, ATC response, interview with a former Boston Center Controller, NORAD Tapes/response and analysis of manuevers/conflict. So im not too sure why you would want to discuss the WTC... but whatever floats your boat i guess.


As for Griffin. Check his stuff on 9/11 Omissions And Distortions.. even Lee Hamilton himself (the Co-Chair of the 9/11 Commission) admits they were set up to fail and people have something to hide. Its right there with him on tape saying it in the film.

Considering we are all giving up our freedoms, we have started two wars and plans to start a third, we have exceeded the number of 9/11 victims in soldiers deaths.. ALL due to the powers granted this govt from the events of 9/11... and that Lee Hamilton himself says that people have things to hide... i guess you dont feel the need for a new investigation and will blindly follow what your govt tells you.

What a good little sheep you are...

Happy New Year!

Cheers!
Rob

 

[RJPilott]

According this BS, the "leading authority" on 9/11 is a Professor of Theology!

And the Newsworld host doesnt call Griffin a 'leading authority', he calls him a 'leading critic'. Pay attention..

Although, the newsworld clip was filmed a while ago.. there are many 'leading critics' and 'authority' who think the 9/11 Commission Report is seriously flawed.. as pointed out by the Commisssion's Co-Chair in the film and the other Co-Chair, Thomas Kean.

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon

Allegations Brought to Inspectors General

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html



Lets not forget the growing number of high ranking military officers, govt agents.. etc etc..

http://patriotsquestion911.com

 

[TrafficInSight]

psst, your crazy is showing... again.

 

[RJPilott]

psst, your crazy is showing... again.

Yeah.. i know. .you think its crazy to question a deceptive govt and you feel its ok to blindly follow them in giving up your freedoms. Good for you. But the numerous family members who lost their loved ones and real patriots dont feel the same way..

Hey Traffic.. .why arent you in Iraq? We have many members who served.. and are still serving including an AWAC's instructor out in Colorado Springs at the academy, an Eagle Driver who flew Northern and Southern Watch in Iraq.. etc etc.........did you serve?

 

[TrafficInSight]

Way to put words in my mouth. Question your government all you want, just don't expect people to agree with you... It doesn't mean we're sheep. It doesn't mean we hate freedom. And it doesn't mean we aren't patriots.

And no, I didn't serve, haven't served, do not plan to serve at this time. For the first Iraq war I was 10, and I graduated from College this last May. I suppose I can still get drafted, and if so I will do what is asked of me. For anyone who has served, I don't think I can say anything that means more than a simple, "thank you." I fail to see what this has to do with anything though.

 

[RJPilott]

yawn...

Traffic...

Mr-all-of-2 hundred seventy-total time...


You would be blindly following the criminal elements within this govt if they were strung up from the Statue of Liberty, im sure.

People have their own minds... pilots who are more experienced than you can think... high ranking military officers, FBI agents, CIA agents.. .et al... see what is happening in our world.

I got news for you Traffic. You are in the minority.

"In the beginning of change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain

Traffic.. you are a disgrace to America, yourself.. and anything you [re]produce.. You would blindly follow any type of leadership.

I hope for human kind.. for America... you do not produce too many.

Anytime you want to debate me on the FACTS.. on a recorded line.. feel free to email me with your telephone number.. [email protected]. If you really know what you're talking about.. you will write the email. Im positive i will never hear from you except "have you seen Elvis lately". Weak...

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilotsfor911trruth.org

 

[Tracom]

Wow RJ,

You completely destroyed any resemblance of credibility w/ that last post.

I have served...have flown Southern Watch...twice, and Noble Eagle (day after 9/11) and Enduring Freedom...etc., etc.

For you to call that man a disgrace to America simply solidifies your position on the lunatic fringe. And to say that b/c he lacks flight time, he obviously can't see the truth has turned your ability to argue rationally into a joke. Questioning the government is a good thing. Moving to a compound in Waco while you collect "proof" of the faked lunar landing, Elvis killing Kennedy or whatever else the conspiracy du jour is, is not a good thing.

However, I will still fully support and defend your right to do it...b/c I AM a patriot. One who according to you is in the minority.

And one who thinks you owe a fellow poster an apology.

I will say up front that I did not read your original post...I am not here to debate your theory, just to call you out for the uncalled insults.

And by the way, adding Mark Twain quotes doesn't add legitimacy to anything.

 

[RJPilott]

Wow RJ,

Moving to a compound in Waco while you collect "proof" of the faked lunar landing, Elvis killing Kennedy or whatever else the conspiracy du jour is, is not a good thing.

.

And this is where you lost all credibility...

If you chose to close your mind based on what someone says to another on a message board through one post without reading the facts... thats your choice. If you would like to quote our site regarding Elvis sightings or faked moon landings at pilotsfor911truth.org, please do. Or perhaps you just like to paint with a broad brush anyone that questions the govt based on facts must be lumped into that category?

We also have pilots who flew Northern and Southern watch.. he is a current Jet Blue Capt. Perhaps you know him?

We also have a current AWACS IP out in Colorado Springs and several other retired mil drivers.

Traffic has a problem with not looking at facts and only offering ridicule (there is history from other postings). A common theme for the closed minded. I finally had enough from him and let him have it.. Its no surprise you will attack me for it and judge me based on one post. Im the one putting my full name on it. People have lost their jobs because of it. People have lost their lives because of it. Do your research.

Any time you would like to debate the facts regarding the Flight Data Recorder (not Elvis or Moon landings, if you are paying attention), feel free to do the same i offered Traffic. The facts are what is credible, try not to kill the messenger. Again a common theme among those looking for an excuse not to do their own research.

"The ultimate test of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and moments of convenience, but where he stands in moments of challenge and moments of controversy."

--Martin Luther King, Jr., 27 January 1965 ​

Cheers!

 

[Tracom]

Again, I was not posting to argue your view. I did say that I support your right to have it.

I was simply looking for a rational reason to question another man's patriotism.

However, since the original post, I did go to the web site. I did not find any Elvis references, but also did not find anything that was very interesting. What is the point? Did the govt screw things up and then try to cover up their embarassing mistakes? Probably. I've never known a lifelong politico that was above that. I don't find that surprising at all.

Is the point that the govt staged 9-11? If so, I am far from convinced. I find it interesting that folks will readily believe that the govt is so all powerful and dastardly as to secretly kill its own citizens to find an excuse to go to war, but at the sime time being so inept as to provide the actual black boxes to the public. Don't you find that odd? If the govt could pull off the conspiracy, couldn't they at the very least fake the evidence that they let out?

So, if that is the point, I, as most clear thinking folks, will require much more convincing than finding some inaccuracies in some govt reports (whoa, that's a shocker). I get the impression that emotion has led most "the govt did it" folks to leave the realm of reality, and to actually WANT the govt to have done it. It seems like they will be so dissappointed if that is not the case, that they will never copitulate under any circumstances.

Anyway, the whole point to begin w/ was that your lashing out was childish and uncalled for. Before you call a man a disgrace, I recommend you look him in the eye first.

 

[TrafficInSight]

yawn...

Traffic...

Mr-all-of-2 hundred seventy-total time...

Yawn...

RJ...

Is that really relevant to anything?...

 

[RJPilott]

Again, I was not posting to argue your view. I did say that I support your right to have it.

Whenever anyone wants to discuss what is offered by the NTSB as coming from American 77, The NTSB recorded phone calls, The FBI recorded phone calls, feel free to email me.

When you have done your research and have figured out 'our point', feel free to email us. We're growing rapidly. All others.. i suppose you can spend 5 mins on reading a few paragraphs and continue to ask 'whats your point'. To that i say. go read more. Watch the film perhaps if you are too lazy to read.

To those that have emailed and PMed me, thanks for your support. I understand why you wouldnt want to discuss this publicly as you can see above.. all they offer is ridicule and strawman arguments regarding Elvis.. but eventually you'll have to face it publicly.. its your duty.

Cheers!
Rob

 

[RJPilott]

We have recently decoded the additional data (raw .fdr file with FDR Experts) that was supplied by the NTSB regarding AA77. The radar alt confirms too high. Radar Alt shows 416 agl at 09:37:45 ("impact" time reported by the govt).

For those interested, feel free to email at [email protected]

For those who make excuses.. .enjoy your slumber...

Hope you're all doing well...!

Be sure to tune in for upcoming recordings with govt agencies.

Cheers!
Rob

 

[Tracom]

We have recently decoded the additional data (raw .fdr file with FDR Experts) that was supplied by the NTSB regarding AA77. The radar alt confirms too high. Radar Alt shows 416 agl at 09:37:45 ("impact" time reported by the govt).

Radar sweep lag time approx 5 sec.

400 kts = 675 fps

vert velocity error in radar lag...easily w/i 500'

Even if it was being tracked by a target tracking radar, those deviations wouldn't be surprising. What do you expect, radar data to coincide w/ a govt report to w/i 3 mm and .003 seconds?


Still waiting for something glass shattering, let alone earth shattering.

 

[Tracom]

Oh, and if that was referring to the onboard radar altimeter, it is still not surprising. Between radalt error in that environment, sample lag in the recorder and timeline error of at least +- 3 sec, 500' is not much at those speeds.

Anyway, trying to be open minded, but still can't figure out the point. OF COURSE there are errors and mistakes in the reports. Is there any level of precision that you would be happy with?

Is your purpose to show that the govt is mired in bureaucracy and rampant incompetence? No surprise there. Do you want an appology for a less than perfect investigation/report? Good luck. Do you want them to start a new one? Good luck. (that one would have just as many errors anyway)

Do you believe there is a cover up? If so, what is it that you believe is being covered up? What is the motivation for it? Please don't use the, "you need to do your research" cop out. How about a mission statement? Just answer the questions. What do YOU think happened?

 

[Tracom]

Straight from your website, "We do not offer theory or point blame"

That is the ultimate conspiracy cop out. ANYONE can find errors in any imperfect process. The report was conclusions reached after an investigative process. Of course it is not without error.

By refusing to offer any other explanation, you conveniently shield yourself from having to defend anything. A clever strategy, but not a new one.

If you have any other conclusion that you can support with your evidence, I am all ears. I will even become one of the loudest voices if you can logically propose a more likely, rational or probable conclusion. However, I don't expect to hear one. Your strategy is the epitome of arm chair quarterbacking.

Hoping your next post has an alternate conclusion of any kind.

 

[RJPilott]

Didnt have time to read all your diatribes... but...

As Lee Hamilton said "We were set up to fail..."

I suppose you dont have a problem with that considering you are now giving up your freedoms for the War on Terra... (do you know who Lee Hamilton is?, im guessing not... google his name)


You want us to explain the information provided by the NTSB which conflicts with the govt fairy tale? How about asking the NTSB to fix their data? We tried. We have the NTSB and FBI recorded. They refuse (because they cant fix it, all parameters cross check the way it is now.. if they fix one error it dominos into others..). Are you familiar with cross check?

Anyway, i rarely check over here, but if anyone has questions.. feel free to email us.

Check out our newest member. Just signed on..

Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777
Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
Has time in:
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http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html

As i said, those concerned with what is happening in your world.. feel free to email us. Those who make excuses for it.. enjoy your slumber... others are working on it.

Cheers!
Rob

 

[RJPilott]

Radar sweep lag time approx 5 sec.

400 kts = 675 fps

vert velocity error in radar lag...easily w/i 500'

Even if it was being tracked by a target tracking radar, those deviations wouldn't be surprising. What do you expect, radar data to coincide w/ a govt report to w/i 3 mm and .003 seconds?


Still waiting for something glass shattering, let alone earth shattering.

Seems someone doesnt even know how a radar altimeter operates and is confusing it with ATC Radar...lol. Check Cat IIIC ILS.


hint: a Radar Altimeter has nothing to do with sweep.

edit: Hint 2, look up absolute altitude.

"Money.. ahh... errr... it trumps.. ahh... peace.. sometimes.. 'snicker snicker'..." - GWB, Feb 14, 2007.

 

[Tracom]

Seems someone doesnt even know how a radar altimeter operates and is confusing it with ATC Radar...lol. Check Cat IIIC ILS.

Already addressed your radalt issue in a previous post...however, you have dodged the question again...what do YOU think happened?

With all of your research, data, expertise and rabid desire to prove the govt wrong....SURELY you can come up with a plausible alternate chain of events.

Still waiting...