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Hi!

If you're interested in a "more exciting" flying job, and you don't have ag time, there are pilots flying in Africa for various aid organizations. There was a big article about this within the last year or so in "Flying" magazine. I don't know about who to contact/where to look. Maybe someone else on the board does?

They do, sometimes, get shot at though.

Cliff
GRB
 
No thanks

so my brother checked this out a while ago. It was basically flying OV-10's in Colombia, but I don't think it was spaying crops. It was identifying drug labs, and yes, they did have helicopter gunships as escorts. here's what turned him off of the idea: flying low and pretty slow over the jungle looking for bad guys, then reporting to the helos to come blow the crap out of the drug lab. oh, did I mention that the OV-10 is UNARMED??!!!?? my brother talked to a guy who had just gotten done doing that kind of flying. this guy said that on his BEST day, his OV-10 only came back with 12 bullet holes in it.

(I'd hate to see what a bad day was like)

No Thanks!!!!
 
Re: No thanks

IMBB said:
so my brother checked this out a while ago. It was basically flying OV-10's in Colombia, but I don't think it was spaying crops. It was identifying drug labs, and yes, they did have helicopter gunships as escorts. here's what turned him off of the idea: flying low and pretty slow over the jungle looking for bad guys, then reporting to the helos to come blow the crap out of the drug lab. oh, did I mention that the OV-10 is UNARMED??!!!?? my brother talked to a guy who had just gotten done doing that kind of flying. this guy said that on his BEST day, his OV-10 only came back with 12 bullet holes in it.

(I'd hate to see what a bad day was like)

No Thanks!!!!

Imagine actually going down into a steep valley with a load of herbicide in a two seat single engine spray plane (AT-802) without the luxury of any guns and just a little bit of kevlar wrappings around critical componets of the air plane?

I believe the ONLY reason they are seeking the ag time is because there is no way in hell that anybody else in their right mind would try a stunt such as this. 'Hey y'all...WATCH THIS!' :D
 
It's nothing like that at all. Yes, the aircraft are armored, and yes, in some cases they work in concert with support helicopters and other aircraft. No, they don't get shot to pieces every flight. It's a crop dusting job.

It is NOT a combat job.

Ground troops don't make a major play for aircraft assigned to Plan Colombia because bringing down these airplanes will result in a lot more heat. Token shots are fired. The last few weeks, things have escalated, somewhat.

Dyncorp does not run the OV-10's. EAST runs the OV-10's and the T-56's/AT-802's. EAST is contracted to Dyncorp. The only OV-10's that Dyncorp runs directly are those used in the CDF fire program in California.

The reason they're looking for ag pilots is because they want people with ag experience. It has nothing to do with people who are willing to do things other's aren't, or people who have a screw loose. Ag pilots are professionals. Ag pilots don't do stupid things, as a rule. However, ag pilots are familiar with pesticide application, low level flying, coverage and drift, etc. Ag pilots are familiar with SATLOC and other such systems that are in use to document the application of the Roundup (Glyphosphate) being used.

This is not some secret form of warfare. It's run through the State Department. It is a foriegn policy designed to reduce the amount of drugs being produced in the largest cocaine producing country in the world. It's done in conjunction with the government of that country, and is mostly operated by foriegn nationals from those countrie(s).

A great deal of documentation goes into covering the spray ops. They are carefully done. Everything is documented by observers, GPS records, and infrared photography.

The program isn't to eliminate cocaine or heroin. It's about convincing farmers to grow alternate crops instead. When they can't sell a crop that's been killed by spray, they have the alternative of growing a different crop, for which the government will pay them. It's not nearly as valueable as the drugs, but that's the whole purpose of using the spray aircraft as leverage.

The flip side of the coin is that the farmers are pawns for FARC and other organizations down there. These organizations use the drugs to fund their programs, which includes terrorist activities and subversive activities. Therefore, a great value is gained by this country and other nations by this and other similiar programs going on around the world.

It's not just spraying drugs. It's eliminating or reducing pipelines for weapons transfers, human rights abuses, and a host of other problems. Most of the results will never make the news, because they won't ever become newsworthy. Instead, individuals are taking certain risks to produce benifits that you'll enjoy, but never know.

Without the experience and background, you are unable to do the job. However, rather than cutting it down as a wildeyed cowboy action that nobody but a crazy person would become involved with, show some grattitude for those who are serving their country in this manner. If not grattitude, how about just a little silent respect?
 
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Avbug, remember a couple of post back you said that a number of Air Tractors were coming apart and I asked you if you knew of any more than just the two? Remember?
I never did get your answer regarding the exact number of wings falling apart, do you by any chance have that number yet?
Just curious.
 
If I had access to my own computer I could find all kinds of wonderful things that are stored and tucked away, but I don't. I could do the research and come up with it, but I'm not that bored.

The last one I can think of, and don't remember any details, was Ken Yegella, and I don't remember if it was an 802, or any other details.
 
Actually the only wings coming off of ATs was on the 2 502s, thus the reason for 502 AD requiring the 1,600 hour wing spar eddy current inspection/fail safe installation.

Not one 802 has lost a wing.
 
Like I said, I don't recall details off the top of my head. I believe the spar AD applies to 300 and 400 series air tractors as well, however.

I'm fairly certain there were more wing failures than that, though I may be wrong. I don't remember what Ken was flying, and I wasn't able to go to the funeral, but I seem to remember he was in an air tractor, and that it was a wing failure. Again, I might be wrong...when I get back to my computer I can have a better idea.

It may be age, or just mental dust, but without a checklist or something written down, most of the time for me, it flat-out doesn't exist. Early Alzheimers?
 
CCDiscoB said:
You guys are nuts. I'm a fighter pilot and it would take a lot ($$) to get me down there and I'm always up for an adventure. I'd rather be in a helicopter gunship in Iraq than flying an OV-10 in Columbia. At least if the Iraqi's catch you you'd be treated like a POW, once you've been on TV that is. In Columbia, you just disappear. You can bet your death would not be quick. There’s nothing wrong with Bogotá, good food, beautiful women, but the cons out way the pros on this job. Do a search on that plane that crashed in the Columbian jungle recently. The bad news was a few of the passengers survived. They disappeared.

This has got me thinking, how much would I accept...I'd say no less than $200,000. You're basically a mercenary. Speaking of which, what do you guys know about the Air Scan positions? I think they’re equally as dangerous.

First, Columbia is a sportswear company.

The country in South America is:

conventional long form: Republic of Colombia
conventional short form: Colombia
local short form: Colombia
local long form: Republica de Colombia

Second, Avbug is on the money. Thanks for contributing.

Lastly, CCDiscoB. Please justify ÿour statement.

¨You're basically a mercenary. ¨
 
A Squared,

Yes, I meant T-65's (for the PT6 dash number on the thrush)...I said T-56, because I have terminal Herc on the brain (T-56 powerplants). Like I said, alzheimers. Don't tell the FAA. They don't like me, as it is.
 
When I lived in Colombia the UH-1H's and 212's flew alongside the spray planes for protection and search and rescue should one go down. On the same base, but with a different mission were the Colombian police aviation ships. Sometimes they would work together, but the real excitement went to the CNP. They live in a camp in the jungle outside one of two towns that are in prime drug growing land. (that may have changed since I was last there) It was hot, humid and boring as hell. The guys that worked for that organization weren't allowed to leave the camp, lived in a crappy little room with other dudes for two weeks until time to go home. They worked and endured for their money. If you want photos send me a PM, and maybe I'll get around to scanning them when I get a chance.
 
Do they have the pilots that are rotating back to the mainland ferry the airplanes? If not, who does the ferry work? Have they found out anything about the plane that disappeared last year in the Caribbean that was being ferried back to Patrick?
 
All I can say is that if you do get shot down you are in COLOMBIA not Columbia(as in South Carolina) that is very important.
 
Aircraft don't get ferried back and forth much. The missing aircraft/pilot has not been found.

Rotating down is done commercially, then you're airlifted for a forward operating location.
 
Are they still looking for an MEII(s) with Garrett experience? What are the using the Casa 212s for down there? Does anyone know what Evergreen Helicopters Casa is doing in Panama? Thank you for any info.
 
I command this thread to RESURRECT from the dead exactly ONE YEAR later!!!

Ah, well, within one day is pretty close!

A buddy of mine from my C-27 days in Panama (Ralph Ponticelli) was killed in one of the crashes last year.

The flying is very dangerous but also very lucrative. Just like the security jobs in Iraq now. You can make big bank, but you can also die. Whether or not this is for you is entirely dependent on your personal situation.
 

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