Ops management call for 2 extra meetings

[SilverSurfer]

So, since the union stance is just that everyone should just quit, does that mean our apparently "unused" dues will be refunded when we do? [/B]

Dude you continue to amaze me with your lack of understanding of the issues you attempt to raise on this board. You have no clue of what you speak or you are regurgitating this same crap in a weak attempt to discredit the work that our union is doing. In either case your post paint you as uninformed about how the process works and what our union is doing.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Obsessed with every post I make much? Not into "surfers," Butt

Dude you continue to amaze me with your lack of understanding of the issues you attempt to raise on this board. You have no clue of what you speak or you are regurgitating this same crap in a weak attempt to discredit the work that our union is doing. In either case your post paint you as uninformed about how the process works and what our union is doing.

So you're suggesting that the union is NOT saying that pilots should quit? Funny, that's not what they've said here...Perhaps it is YOU that doesn't know what is going on...too busy telling pointed anecdotes on public boards to get other guys fired, I guess.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Put up or shut up

So you're suggesting that the union is NOT saying that pilots should quit? Funny, that's not what they've said here...Perhaps it is YOU that doesn't know what is going on...too busy telling pointed anecdotes on public boards to get other guys fired, I guess.

OK dude show me one communication from anyone in the union leadership that has told our pilots to quit. Just one. You are the one that has specialized in anecdotal statements, baseless accusations, and distortion of or a complete lack of the facts.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

a needed reality check for delusional minor players

Bottom line is FLOPS has become the bottom feeder of Fracs-you know and I know it. Contract or no contract it will forever suck. The easiest plan for all is find a job elsewhere. Oh and if you plan to go to NJA it is always good to be current on your dues..

NJA would be the last place I would ever go...the point is to move up, not laterally between fractionals which fluctuate year to year between who is the top paid, and who is not...everything cycles. Anyone leaving the fracs needs to have a LONG TERM plan with regard to career advancement, and flying little planes and being gone for an entire week at a time, is NOT something people want to do when they reach 50 (unless they have the entire rest of the MONTH off). I don't sacrifice the long term for short-term, short sighted, lateral "goals."
Ever wonder why the NJA guys STILL have to be on the boards 24/7 to convince everyone how "great" they have it, and how much better they think their job is than anywhere else? For starters:
- The IBB is NOT as great as they are trying to convince people, or it would not be necessary for every single one of them to insert "overtime" into the equation in discussions about what they made (which, in itself is the most tacky ill-bred trait one can imagine)
- Deep down, while they are PROJECTING about guys who they feel only have "egos that need the big jets," it is like a billboard to the world how envious THEY really are, because if they weren't it wouldn't occur to them to CARE what others want to do.
- The trophy major guys they managed to get there for whatever reason, are the very limited EXCEPTION, not the rule, so there goes that... why ARE they such a trophy for NJA anyways? Because it helps massage THEIR egos that someone left a better long term career to go to theirs.
I would venture to guess that there are more people at NJA (referencing those with higher flight time) that have blemishes on their records and/or lack of a degree that have affected their ABILITY to go to the "MAJORS." From what is left you can then factor in those with ex-wives and / or excess children that can NOT make the brief initial sacrifices required in starting with the majors.
You can all toot your own horns all you want, but you're only impressing those with much lower time who aren't really fully in the know...or those similarly limited in their ability to advance. It is a decent job compared to your category, but like baseball, you can gloat all you want about your minor league status, but deep down you'll always wonder "what if" you got to the majors, especially now that they are hiring again. I might think about a fractional again if a major laid me off...but that would only be a last resort if there were no real corp gigs around (people that can afford whole planes and their own ops/management teams)...but I would still have that golden seniority number as opposed to a dead end frac job that's so-so until the contract expires and the next big jet pass idea comes up and wipes out the current idea of frac ownership.
Just the facts, now let your little egos flame away about how great you'll have it "forever and ever", lol.:beer: The ONLY ones you can claim a "one up" on for the MOMENT is FLOPS so you go at it all you can (even though you guys were the real brunt of jokes not long ago)..and that is only because NJA pilots have been on a MISSION to MAKE it that way and make the widespread opinion of FLOPS what it now is. The only reason these mgt scumbags continue to take and take is due to YOUR incessant antagonizing and the little boy fights between them and your mouthpieces at IBT. You CREATED the problems at FLOPS, then proceeded to ruin the whole company's rep...your "brothers'" included.

 

[Galaxy]

Holy Crap Voice of Anger.
Take a chill pill. After reading that rant of anger I imagine you have huge blue veins on your forehead.
I didn't tell you to go to NJA I said IF you plan to go......
You said it yourself..everyone is hiring..even the good pt 91 operators and the majors. The union will not tell you to get another jobl, they want the membership. When the training director pulls you aside and tells you if you can find a better job go for it. Then even watching the union board-seeing all the "See Ya Later" threads or even watching the ever dwindling senoirty list or heard the complaints of the owners that you fly have you gotton the hint? Or do you need it spelled out? So ahhhhhhhh
GO GET ANOTHER JOB
And quit yer bitchin'-Johnny Rebel
:beer:

 

[SilverSurfer]

Put up or shut up

So you're suggesting that the union is NOT saying that pilots should quit? Funny, that's not what they've said here...Perhaps it is YOU that doesn't know what is going on...too busy telling pointed anecdotes on public boards to get other guys fired, I guess.

OK dude show me one communication from anyone in the union leadership that has told our pilots to quit. Just one. You are the one that has specialized in anecdotal statements, baseless accusations, and distortion of or a complete lack of the facts.

Still out there reading all those Union communications to find that one you were referring to. Hey, save yourself some time, just make it up like you have done everything else.:laugh:

 

[realityman]

VOR,

It's been the widespread mission of the NJA pilots to ruin the reputation of FLOPS?

Ahhhhhh........maybe stopping your meds at this point in time wasn't such a good idea after all.

That has got to be some of the most paranoid conspiracy crap I've heard since that movie with Mel Gibson, what was it, oh yeah, Conspiracy Theory!

Up until that last post I was willing to have reasoned debates with you on these subjects. But, egads man! Lighten up a bit.

I assure you, the vast majority of pilots at NJA, as well as our entire union leadership structure, have got far better things to do with our time than trying to destroy the reputation of a company that, from the very beginning, didn't have a good reputation.

As for 1108 purposely trying to take out FLOPS as a competitor, well, that completely contradicts what you were saying earlier about all they want is the dues money. I think putting all the pilots out of work at FLOPS would have a NEGATIVE effect on the bottom line of dues at 1108, now wouldn't it? So which is it? Are we trying to get as much money from you as possible? Or are we trying to put you out of business, therefore guaranteeing a large reduction in union income?

Besides, NJA doesn't need the union's help to put FLOPS under. What if NJA simply came up with a standing order that for the foreseeable future, all newhires would come from applicants currently employed at FLOPS. At a hiring rate of 300 pilots per year, how much hurt would that put on FLOPS?

VOR, you really need a vacation. And I'm not being a smarta**. Seriously, take a break from FlightInfo and at least put your thoughts in order a bit. You're not sounding very reasoned anymore.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Crickets From Voice Of Treason

So you're suggesting that the union is NOT saying that pilots should quit? Funny, that's not what they've said here...Perhaps it is YOU that doesn't know what is going on...too busy telling pointed anecdotes on public boards to get other guys fired, I guess.

OK dude show me one communication from anyone in the union leadership that has told our pilots to quit. Just one. You are the one that has specialized in anecdotal statements, baseless accusations, and distortion of or a complete lack of the facts.

This is the third time I put this question to you Voice Of Treason and all we hear is crickets. I haven't seen a single word you have posted that was factual or true, this is a simple question about your comments. Do you not stand behind your words, can you not substantiate the accusations you make, can you not support the baseless lies you post here. Come on Treason,,,, man up.

 

[Galaxy]

OK dude show me one communication from anyone in the union leadership that has told our pilots to quit. Just one. You are the one that has specialized in anecdotal statements, baseless accusations, and distortion of or a complete lack of the facts.

This is the third time I put this question to you Voice Of Treason and all we hear is crickets. I haven't seen a single word you have posted that was factual or true, this is a simple question about your comments. Do you not stand behind your words, can you not substantiate the accusations you make, can you not support the baseless lies you post here. Come on Treason,,,, man up.

Silver-
He gets the QUIT ideas from me. I will take responsibility for those words. NEVER have I said that the union feels pilots should QUIT. I have only said it was my personal opinion. I have posted this many times for him and all to see. I want to see the 1108 win the battle. However for some-they don't have it in them to endure the fight. His anger about his views of inaction from the union just continue to grow within him.
Is he a troll? Who really knows-only he knows for sure. I have read many-many of his posts-He does seem highly misinformed on alot of issues-mostly dealing with NJA-the CBA and the IBB.
My stance will remain the same-If you can't endure the fight at FLOPS or can't take the chance that there will be nothing in the end. Well, then QUIT. There are so many real flying jobs out there right now. 10 out of 10 former FLOPS pilots agree that life is better for them the DAY they left FLOPS.
I believe in the 1108 and have trust in the Union's leadership. What I don't trust is the lame mgt that sits at the top of the puzzle palace in CGF.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Voice Of treason

Silver-
He gets the QUIT ideas from me. I will take responsibility for those words. NEVER have I said that the union feels pilots should QUIT. I have only said it was my personal opinion. I have posted this many times for him and all to see. I want to see the 1108 win the battle. However for some-they don't have it in them to endure the fight. His anger about his views of inaction from the union just continue to grow within him.
Is he a troll? Who really knows-only he knows for sure. I have read many-many of his posts-He does seem highly misinformed on alot of issues-mostly dealing with NJA-the CBA and the IBB.
My stance will remain the same-If you can't endure the fight at FLOPS or can't take the chance that there will be nothing in the end. Well, then QUIT. There are so many real flying jobs out there right now. 10 out of 10 former FLOPS pilots agree that life is better for them the DAY they left FLOPS.
I believe in the 1108 and have trust in the Union's leadership. What I don't trust is the lame mgt that sits at the top of the puzzle palace in CGF.

He absolutely is misinformed and all of his post are filled with inaccuracies and out right false statements. The worst part of it is that when his lack of knowledge or his false statement are pointed out to him, he doesn't give a sh!t. Regardless of what his actual intentions are, the end result of them is to spread FUD. As such he becomes a tool of management and is working against those of us that are here to fight the fight to the end.

The time for middle of the road has come and gone. Any pilot at Floptions is either with us or against us, there is no more in between.