Operating costs

[Flybet3]

Does anyone know where a good website where I can find info about Airplane (jet) operating costs? There use to be a very good website www.jetbuyer.com but the website doesn't seem to exsist anymore. Any help would really be appreciated.

 

[BODENE]

we use conklindd.com Conklin & DeDecker

Hope that helps....

 

[Flybet3]

we use conklindd.com Conklin & DeDecker

Hope that helps....

cool I'll try it, hey is that Chris Farley??? LOL

 

[Flybet3]

I think I saw this yesterday, their sample report is great but i was hoping to find a website where I could maybe even compare between aircraft. Like I said that Jet buyer site had it, but it's no more.

 

[Brett Hull]

You can check omnijet.com for operating costs, too. But they're about 3 years behind on the fuel costs.

 

[Flybet3]

Thanks

You can check omnijet.com for operating costs, too. But they're about 3 years behind on the fuel costs.

I saw them too, I'm really trying to find some of the operating costs on the newer light jets Like the Safire, honda jet, Eclipse, Adam 700, SJ-30-2, also on the light Cessna products, CJ1, CJ2 and Citation 500, 1 and 2 maybe.
Thanks for the help

 

[BODENE]

Flyjet3...

Are you looking to purchase one of those aircraft. If so you can pm me direct and I will run the comparisons for you...

 

[mzaharis]

You may want to leave Safire and Honda out of it. Safire is "not a going concern", as the business types put it. I only saw one reference to Honda actually marketing its aircraft (ironically, I posted it here - it was an avweb.com link), but they've not announced any concrete plans about certifying or marketing their jet. Could happen, but it hasn't happened yet, and I'm sure that you couldn't get any reliable operating cost numbers on it yet (you can't even extrapolate from another jet with the same engines, because it's the only one with those Honda engines).

 

[Flybet3]

You may want to leave Safire and Honda out of it. Safire is "not a going concern", as the business types put it. I only saw one reference to Honda actually marketing its aircraft (ironically, I posted it here - it was an avweb.com link), but they've not announced any concrete plans about certifying or marketing their jet. Could happen, but it hasn't happened yet, and I'm sure that you couldn't get any reliable operating cost numbers on it yet (you can't even extrapolate from another jet with the same engines, because it's the only one with those Honda engines).

Well the Eclipse and the Mustang seems nice and cheap...i'm going nuts here...is there a big difference in operating costs with the CJ1s and a King air 350???

 

[mike1mc]

Also look in Business/Commerical Aviation mag (August or May issue). They offer a Purchase Planning Guide and Operating Guide. One of these will have operating costs. Conklin is the best, but you'll have to pay for it.

 

[paulsalem]

http://www.planequest.com/operationcosts/

Fuel costs may be a bit low, but it has a large variety of a/c.

 

[h25b]

http://www.planequest.com/operationcosts/

Fuel costs may be a bit low, but it has a large variety of a/c.

That site isn't close, at least on the Learjet 31A...

Fuel (GPH): 145.00
Fuel Costs/Gallon:1.79
Fuel Costs/Hour:259.71
Oil Costs per Hour: .50
Maintenance Cost/Hour:207.92
Hourly Engine Reserve:180.20
Prop T/R Reserve:11.88
Total Variable Costs/Hour:660.21
Average Speed (MPH):420.00
Cost/SM:1.57
Annual Insurance:15,000.00
Annual Hangar/Tiedown:17,821.78
Training:18,000.00
Total Fixed Costs:50,821.78
Hours/Year:224.75
Fixed Cost/Hour:226.15
Total Variable & Fixed Costs/Year:199,162.29
Total Costs/Hour:886.36
Total Cost/SM:2.11


For example, our insurance is 32K/yr. Training is more like 25K/yr. once you figure in travel/lodging expenses for at least 2 crewmembers. And they leave out some sort of important items like salary/benefits, maintenance tracking, charts, FMS Update subscriptions, etc...

About $250,000.00/yr. fixed cost plus about $1200/hr. DOC is more like it...

 

[Flybet3]

That site isn't close, at least on the Learjet 31A...

Fuel (GPH): 145.00
Fuel Costs/Gallon:1.79
Fuel Costs/Hour:259.71
Oil Costs per Hour: .50
Maintenance Cost/Hour:207.92
Hourly Engine Reserve:180.20
Prop T/R Reserve:11.88
Total Variable Costs/Hour:660.21
Average Speed (MPH):420.00
Cost/SM:1.57
Annual Insurance:15,000.00
Annual Hangar/Tiedown:17,821.78
Training:18,000.00
Total Fixed Costs:50,821.78
Hours/Year:224.75
Fixed Cost/Hour:226.15
Total Variable & Fixed Costs/Year:199,162.29
Total Costs/Hour:886.36
Total Cost/SM:2.11


For example, our insurance is 32K/yr. Training is more like 25K/yr. once you figure in travel/lodging expenses for at least 2 crewmembers. And they leave out some sort of important items like salary/benefits, maintenance tracking, charts, FMS Update subscriptions, etc...

About $250,000.00/yr. fixed cost plus about $1200/hr. DOC is more like it...

cool thanks for the info. Good stuff