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We have about a 13% cost savings over DAL with our mainline flying.. When they use an RJ which is really all they have committed its about twice that. RA is not happy with AS but he is going to get hammered on the West Coast fighting 181 seat aircraft with 76 seat RJ's.


Why Alaska Air Can't Stop Climbing
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October 28, 2013 | Comments (0)

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Warren Buffett may tout airlines as a great way to torch your investment capital, but there are exceptions. One great performer recently is Alaska Air Group (NYSE: ALK ) . The regional player has been steadily expanding its route coverage while simultaneously bumping up passenger revenue per available seat mile, or PRASM, which is a key measure of unit profitability. In its just-ended quarter, the company again surpassed analyst expectations and provided further evidence that management's plans to steadily and profitably expand the business are effective, to say the least. Even better for investors, the stock still has plenty of room to run.

Quarter recap
For the fiscal third quarter, Alaska Air hauled in an adjusted profit of $157 million, or $2.21 per share. Included in the generally accepted accounting principles (nonadjusted) number was a $120 million noncash revenue item. The Seattle-based carrier beat analyst expectations of $2.14 per share and posted a nice gain over the prior year's $2.09 per share. Through the first nine months of the year, the airline has generated $425 million in free cash flow.

The company continues to pay down debt, most recently bringing its debt-to-market cap ratio down by 7%, to 47%. On a net debt basis, the company is essentially liability-free. Its return on invested capital held steady at roughly 13%. The carrier's pre-tax earnings margin was 18.4%. And although PRASM has been a great rallying point over several quarters, total PRASM remained flat this time because of increased competitive pressure in some core routes. The figure should trend positive over the long term.

In previous quarters, management had expressed some concern with its Hawaii flights not maintaining capacity. That problem has since been fixed.

An industry ratings service cited Alaska Air as the most on-time airline of any domestic carrier, the most fuel-efficient of any domestic carrier, and No. 1 in customer service. If it all sounds great -- it was. This past three-month period marked Alaska Air's best quarter in operational history, according to management. It's the 18th month in a row that the company achieved a positive bottom line -- a striking number for the ever-volatile airline industry.

How high will it fly?
All of the great news surrounding Alaska Air, with the exception of competitive encroachment, bodes well for the company going forward. With an immaculate balance sheet and strong cash flow, Alaska Air can easily grow its routes, buy new planes as needed (it bought eight in the past 12 months -- in cash), and still find some left over to give back to shareholders in the form of a dividend or buyback.

Perhaps more than anything else, management has proved to be expert capital allocators. This is crucial for any business, but particularly so in the tight-margin, ultracompetitive airline business.

At 11 times forward earnings, an EV/EBITDA of under five times, and a price/earnings-to-growth ratio of 0.89, this company looks to be one of the best investments in the space. Forget the legacy carriers and the media-friendly mergers-and-acquisitions activity; Alaska Air is a highflier for any portfolio.

Kramer at CNBC put DL at the top of the list, even over AK, and spent a few minutes on why DL was the top. It's called revenue generation. The debt pay down is in full effect, and having a $1.37 billion QUARTER should mean something is going well. That also means they can afford to try new things, and that can't be good for the rest. But, if you're not concerned, maybe your management isn't either. Okay then.......


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Easy GL...

We lost 2 BILLION (Dr. Evil's voice) in a quarter once. It can happen again.
 
I didn't realize the great Kramer had spoken. With his track record I guess us Alaskan pilots should just pack it in. DAL is without question now the biggest, brightest, and best. There will be no questioning your utter domination from now on. I am so sorry I missed that lightning round.
 
Is the following true? It's some earnings analysis I read on deltas last quarter.
I know how Delta must feel competing against those "Middle Eastern" carriers. No wonder RA is having a fit. How unfair of an advantage that must be

"However, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that Delta still doesn't have to pay any taxes because its historically accumulated deficit still is $5.4B. But at the current rate it will take Delta just 5-6 more quarters before this deficit will have been wiped out, after which the company will have to pay income taxes again."
 
More government aide for the big "D". At least the EXIM bank doesn't forgive principal as part of its terms. Lol.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Delta Air Lines wants a $5.9 million forgivable
government loan to refurbish a call center in northern Minnesota that was mostly built with government money in the first place.
Delta's loan application says the call center in Chisholm employs 418 people. It says the renovation would add 107 more.
The loans are handled by a state agency called the Iron Range Resources & Rehabilitation Board. Commissioner Tony Sertich says the new loan is expected to be forgivable, too, as long as Delta meets job targets.
Northwest Airlines built the call center with a $9.7 million loan from the board in 1994. Of that, $1 million was repaid and the rest was forgiven. Delta Air Lines Inc. bought Northwest in 2008.
The new loan is scheduled to be considered Thursday.
 
Easy GL...

We lost 2 BILLION (Dr. Evil's voice) in a quarter once. It can happen again.

Easy? Mars could ATTACK tomorrow also. Anyway, now DL owns a refinery, and that means "everything is gonna be alright....."

One additional good piece of news, DL announced today that they will resume SEA to ANC service this upcoming Summer. FANTASTIC. I wish it were year round, and 4 daily A330s. That would be great for DL passengers.... :)



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
More government aide for the big "D". At least the EXIM bank doesn't forgive principal as part of its terms. Lol.

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Delta Air Lines wants a $5.9 million forgivable
government loan to refurbish a call center in northern Minnesota that was mostly built with government money in the first place.
Delta's loan application says the call center in Chisholm employs 418 people. It says the renovation would add 107 more.
The loans are handled by a state agency called the Iron Range Resources & Rehabilitation Board. Commissioner Tony Sertich says the new loan is expected to be forgivable, too, as long as Delta meets job targets.
Northwest Airlines built the call center with a $9.7 million loan from the board in 1994. Of that, $1 million was repaid and the rest was forgiven. Delta Air Lines Inc. bought Northwest in 2008.
The new loan is scheduled to be considered Thursday.

The EXIM program is for poor countries. Sounds like DL could move out of Chisolm, MN if they want too, but that could cost up to 500 jobs in rural MN. What would you do? Sounds like the local tax people would get the money back in tax revenue from those 500 plus people continuing to work. LOL you are getting desperate. Tell me if the EAS program is needed with 734s in AK? Oh, that's right, they may be replaced with Dash-8-400s. That might be more worth it from a GOVT spending standpoint...


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Have fun in ANC General..you could fly as many a-330's as you want between ANC and anywhere and still get nowhere..have you actually even been to anchorage or anywhere in Alaska? It's all about the miles baby..over 90% of the adults in Alaska have an Alaska mileage number..so what is there exact incentive to fly delta? Their superior service..nope (Jd power)..maybe it's their on time..nope got that one too..maybe it's cheaper..nope..guess they are just gonna have to rely on your amazing personality! But seriously..put some jets on that route so our commuters can get to work without having to sit in the Jumpseat on one of our 22 daily flights!
 
Actually the eas program is needed..can't access any city in SE by road so planes only..can't really do it profitably cause of the loads so what are the options exactly? And guess who owns all of the approaches and facilities? That's right our little Eskimo..ps..q-400 can't go below .3 so no JNU KTN sit all winter..maybe you guys can find a cr9 operator to use to bid against us for the eas contract so "delta" can fly there too! guess your dreams of sit are gonna have to wait!
 
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Have fun in ANC General..you could fly as many a-330's as you want between ANC and anywhere and still get nowhere..have you actually even been to anchorage or anywhere in Alaska? It's all about the miles baby..over 90% of the adults in Alaska have an Alaska mileage number..so what is there exact incentive to fly delta? Their superior service..nope (Jd power)..maybe it's their on time..nope got that one too..maybe it's cheaper..nope..guess they are just gonna have to rely on your amazing personality! But seriously..put some jets on that route so our commuters can get to work without having to sit in the Jumpseat on one of our 22 daily flights!

Well I don't know about ANC To anywhere .. But
 
Actually the eas program is needed..can't access any city in SE by road so planes only..can't really do it profitably cause of the loads so what are the options exactly? And guess who owns all of the approaches and facilities? That's right our little Eskimo..ps..q-400 can't go below .3 so no JNU KTN sit all winter..maybe you guys can find a cr9 operator to use to bid against us for the eas contract so "delta" can fly there too! guess your dreams of sit are gonna have to wait!

Actually the Q's can go down to .1 if not now very soon ..
 
Have fun in ANC General..you could fly as many a-330's as you want between ANC and anywhere and still get nowhere..have you actually even been to anchorage or anywhere in Alaska? It's all about the miles baby..over 90% of the adults in Alaska have an Alaska mileage number..so what is there exact incentive to fly delta? Their superior service..nope (Jd power)..maybe it's their on time..nope got that one too..maybe it's cheaper..nope..guess they are just gonna have to rely on your amazing personality! But seriously..put some jets on that route so our commuters can get to work without having to sit in the Jumpseat on one of our 22 daily flights!

Ummmmm, you don't know AK/NW history, obviously. According to a FNWA Capt I talked to recently, when AK made NWA upset about something in their past code share, NWA would place a 747-200 onto the SEA-ANC route, and then dump the fares. That's all it took. A month or two later AK would come back crying, saying sorry. It's about the fares, not about your mileage numbers. Hello????? McFly???? Nah, just jokin. Have a great one!


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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