OneSky SLI Committee

[V1 Rotate]

Now’s your chance boys. According to Weiss’s letter, now’s the opportunity for everyone who trashed the original SLI Committee to step up and put your money where your mouth is. Alphabet Joe? Frank? Page? Delis? Noe? Handschuch? I wish you all luck. And just in case anyone has forgotten, our list was ruled fair and equitable multiple times in federal court.

 

[cougar12]

Fair and equitable, LOL! What ever they come up with will be a popularity contest (they will call it a majority vote). The top 10% don’t care, those on the G’s don’t care, those hired after the merger don’t care What ever system is favored by the pilots that do care and vote will be selected even though they will never be able to explain how it is fair and equitable. I have flown with quite a few pilots that believe anyone that came from the Options side should be assigned a number when they joined Flexjet since it is the surviving company (Staple job)!

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Surviving company??? 2N and Options is the surviving company but with a new name.. FOK club, "merit" based upgrades, and back to pilot pushing. I remember that from 10 years ago. But wait, The Flex pilots think that somehow things will go back to the old Flex. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Fair and equitable, LOL! What ever they come up with will be a popularity contest (they will call it a majority vote). The top 10% don’t care, those on the G’s don’t care, those hired after the merger don’t care What ever system is favored by the pilots that do care and vote will be selected even though they will never be able to explain how it is fair and equitable. I have flown with quite a few pilots that believe anyone that came from the Options side should be assigned a number when they joined Flexjet since it is the surviving company (Staple job)!

It’s not who votes. It’s who counts the votes. The seniority list will be whatever Kenn wants it to be.

 

[Propilot77]

It’s going to be a laughable event! They already lost 80-100 numbers the day after the vote due to 2NN giving back longevity and now think it will magically get better with a little sprinkle of 2NN’s magical bend over dust. You are now unicorns’s in A field of horses; nobody wants to be a unicorn.

 

[I'mBack]

#CheckYourFacts All this one takes to disprove ProPilots lack of understanding is a review of the addendum and seniority list pre & post Union. Try reading the Day 1 addendum (slowly this time) and maybe you'll see that KR specifically states he was reinstating lost longevity for transfer pilots. KR didn't make any mention of seniority. Or... perhaps the issue is that you never fully understood what it means.

PAY LONGEVITY DOES NOT EQUAL SENIORITY

Please ProPilot tell us all how they "lost 80-100 numbers" the day after the vote?

I've said it before; I might be new at FJ but watching BS fly doesn't do us working hard on the line anything other than it provides an #Echo of misinformed positions.

 

[V1 Rotate]

I’m not buying your new-hire non sense and neither is anyone else, so let’s just clear that right now. The only “new-hire” I’ve ever come across that thought he knew more than anyone else and was proud to proclaim it on Yammer was Delis when he transferred over to Flex. You sound just like him, therefore I’m not buying your story. You seem to know way too much to be a new-hire, but let’s play along for minute. Since you weren’t around when the transfers showed up, here’s how it went; 1) Ricci said they’d go to the bottom of the Flexjet seniority list, which they did. 2) Turns out it didn’t matter since seniority didn’t matter. 3) Ricci said he didn’t live in the seniority world and that it was up to the pilots. Then why spend all the money losing in federal court? 4) The transfers didn’t lose any pay longevity. That’s why you had junior Lear transfer FO’s making more than senior original Flexjet FO’s. 5) Since the day we published the SLI, Handschuch and everyone else began complaining that the transfers were punished because they lost “longevity” by being off the Flight Options list. When you take an LOA, that’s what happens. The order of the Flight Options pilots remained but their adjusted DOH based on losing longevity is what elevated the bottom half of the Flexjet list. When Ricci reinstates this lost longevity to the transfers, the Flex pilots are going to suffer. When I was on the SLI Committee, the biggest and loudest complaint I heard was that the transfers “should not be able to have their cake and eat it, too.” It was even on Yammer. We delivered on that request and now they just threw it away with the decert. So, whether you’re a new-hire or not, there’s your history lesson concerning the transfers. #micdrop #hashtagsarestupid

 

[EnFuego]

So who did management pick for their kangaroo kommittee? I can't wait to watch this fuster cluck...uke:

 

[I'mBack]

#MoreFakeNews. While I had every intention of leaving V1s response unanswered because he was correct in saying that I didn't have the "history" on these events; I cannot let it go unanswered when I receive #actualtranscripts from the hearing that completely debunks what you are telling everyone. You apparently don't have the support that you thought. Thank you for sending me that ridiculously large number of pages to read through.

You might have come up with a list but based on the testimony in the hearing it was clear that none of you on the committee knew that the Union was discarding the list you came up. It seemed very clear that the Union was telling you one thing and was doing something else. RD said in his testimony he followed the teamsters merger policy and that he was the one responsible for the list. Are you calling the Union a bunch of liars? #WHAT!

So why don't you do us all a favor and show us the list that you came up with because according to AF and RD testimony; it's not the list that the Union presented to the Company for implementation. In fact, according to AF; he didn't know that the Union had it's own policy and the work you did was for nothing.

Once again - fake news in a hall of #Echos.

Also EnFuego - if you have such a strong position, why don't you try and make intelligent statements. Its becoming clear that you speak nothing but BS so your "kangaroo" reference is no surprise given your complete lack of knowledge on just about everything that is discussed on these boards.

 

[V1 Rotate]

You knew the history because you've been at Flex through all of this so stop trying to play that angle. I know about the actual transcript you're referencing and it does nothing to debunk our work. I have no idea what large number of pages that you're referring to as I've not sent you anything. Nice try trying to convince everyone on here that I'm colluding with you behind the scenes. Shows your true colors.

The list that was published in 2016 is the same final list that I have on my laptop still. The Teamsters had no merger policy EXCEPT that any SLI must follow Allegheny-Mohawk and McCaskill-Bond. RD was responsible for the list only to the effect that we turned it over to him and then it will to Teamsters National Airline Division. Let's not make this any more difficult than it has to be. Why would the 1108 have a policy in place that improves 60% of the Flexjet pilots' percentage and secured the top 34 slots on the list? And, the bottom 25% of the list were mostly Flight Options pilots. Why would the 1108 have a policy like that in place? Meanwhile, your side was last advocating DOH, giving out of seniority slots to IRL, and protecting Red Label pilots from furlough. Those are your policies.

I already did you a favor in stepping up and trying to help out my colleagues instead of whining about the transfer pilots in recurrent class in front of long time Flexjet pilots like Handschuch did. And we showed you the list already. It's the one that was produced in 2016. Not only was I there for it once, it happened on multiple occasions. You had the entire Flexjet pilot group united around the fact no Flight Options pilot "should have their cake and eat it, too." Yet, our management was more concerned over Phil Delis et al than they were their own pilots. Let that sink in. I encourage you to call Adam. I just received his blessing for you to do so. Heck, call me even! Adam states that whatever transcript you claim to be reading is false and that your quote of him is 110% patently false.

Bottom line is this; Let's assume we're all liars and put it on an equal playing field. No transcript, no "he said she said," no amount of finger pointing is going to discredit the fact that Flexjet pilots are going to take it in the shorts with this silly vote you guys have planned. 60% of Flexjet pilots are going to lose their gains. You get to explain that to them. Every pilot is going to vote in their own self interest, as would I. That's why you need people willing to stand up and take the heat in trying to produce what's most fair for all involved. Putting it to a vote is a cop out. You relinquish yourself of any responsibility and when everyone is ticked off, the Committee will just stand back and say, "You guys voted for it." I was called a coward by VP JW on Yammer. Last I checked, cowards don't walk around with bullseyes on their backs. They steer clear of accountability.

 

[EnFuego]

#MoreFakeNews. While I had every intention of leaving V1s response unanswered because he was correct in saying that I didn't have the "history" on these events; I cannot let it go unanswered when I receive #actualtranscripts from the hearing that completely debunks what you are telling everyone. You apparently don't have the support that you thought. Thank you for sending me that ridiculously large number of pages to read through.

You might have come up with a list but based on the testimony in the hearing it was clear that none of you on the committee knew that the Union was discarding the list you came up. It seemed very clear that the Union was telling you one thing and was doing something else. RD said in his testimony he followed the teamsters merger policy and that he was the one responsible for the list. Are you calling the Union a bunch of liars? #WHAT!

So why don't you do us all a favor and show us the list that you came up with because according to AF and RD testimony; it's not the list that the Union presented to the Company for implementation. In fact, according to AF; he didn't know that the Union had it's own policy and the work you did was for nothing.

Once again - fake news in a hall of #Echos.

Also EnFuego - if you have such a strong position, why don't you try and make intelligent statements. Its becoming clear that you speak nothing but BS so your "kangaroo" reference is no surprise given your complete lack of knowledge on just about everything that is discussed on these boards.

I know plenty about what is discussed on these boards. I know original Bombardier pilots are going to get screwed by the kangaroo kommittee management is putting in place. As V1 said, the 60% of us who gained with the Union committee's list are going to lose under this brave new world. But you wouldn't understand that, being "new" and all...#phildobyanothername

 

[V1 Rotate]

I have a correction to make to my post above. After rereading the Yammer posts that I still have, JW didn’t call me a coward. He called me a liar. It was RH who called me a coward. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Propilot77]

I have a correction to make to my post above. After rereading the Yammer posts that I still have, JW didn’t call me a coward. He called me a liar. It was RH who called me a coward. Sorry for the confusion.

Funny because JW was the coward and RH has always been the liar. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

 

[EnFuego]

Funny because JW was the coward and RH has always been the liar. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Another history lesson for the guy who is brand new: JW was never at Flexjet by Bombardier. He was hired (as a Netjets reject) when they were negotiating Flexjet's sale to DAC. So when he talks about our culture, he isn't talking about Flexjet by Bombardier, he is talking about something completely foreign.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Actually, he was hired to be the new chief pilot or a similar title by DW, someone didn’t do their due diligence and neglected to find out that he wasn’t qualified, and he was given a different title instead to save face.

 

[squawk]

Funny because JW was the coward and RH has always been the liar. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

spewing hateful comments about managers behind a veil of pseudo-imitation is a huge form of cowardice, and calling them cowards and liars while acting as a cowardly liar is an even bigger form of hypocrisy.

 

[EnFuego]

I'm not sure where the coward charge comes from. Both of them are pretty dishonest, but not really cowards. Unless the premise is they don't have the guts to tell the truth?

 

[DirtyBeech]

spewing hateful comments about managers behind a veil of pseudo-imitation is a huge form of cowardice, and calling them cowards and liars while acting as a cowardly liar is an even bigger form of hypocrisy.

I think you meant to type anonymity instead of imitation, but I’ve caught you cold on this forum both lying and being a hypocrite. Behind a veil of pseudo anonymity no less.

Glass houses are a real b.

 

[squawk]

I think you meant to type anonymity instead of imitation, but I’ve caught you cold on this forum both lying and being a hypocrite. Behind a veil of pseudo anonymity no less.

Glass houses are a real b.

it didn’t take you very long to post your totally predictable comment.
I stand by my posts and you defend slander and libel

 

[DirtyBeech]

it didn’t take you very long to post your totally predictable comment.
I stand by my posts and you defend slander and libel

Glady.....

Spare me the drama! The old used Chevy parked in valet at the company function was every bit a big FU as the middle fingers backatcha.
If anything, maybe don’t serve alcohol in the future.
Still on the fence here, but the IBT1108 seems to be their own worst enemy. Certainly a bunch of amateurs.

You weren’t on the fence. You were on the truck flipping off half the pilot group. There’s you being a liar and here’s you being a hypocrite....

Ad hominem is the lowest form of argument.

Just 4 hours later you posted....

Always in here, same people, same tired attitudes.
You are the 6%ers, go ahead and get a tatt.
ODD afflicted, no cures.

An ad hominem attack. You might recall that you admitted to doing so here...

Not when it is truth. Here you are again. How long have you been one of the 6%? A long time. 14 years?

Before I had to break it to you that the veracity I’d the ad hominem in no way stopped it from being an ad hominem.

I feel for you squawk. You’re as full of it as anyone on here, but you don’t realize it.

The prosecution rests.

 

[squawk]

The prosecution rests.

It is not ad hominem when pointing out the truth to you and your 6% club.
If Squawk tells you that you are wrong again DB, that’s not ad hominem, it’s the simple truth.
When one of the 6%ers calls JW or RH a liar and coward, that’s the lowest form of argument.

 

[DirtyBeech]

An ad hominem attack is attacking a person’s character instead of their argument. It doesn’t matter if the attack is true or not. Again, squawk, I can post a link for you since you don’t seem to grasp the concept.

And there are screen shots out there where both JW and RH referred to individuals as both of these terms that horrify you so.

Not that you care as a raging hypocrite. Noticed you ignored that part which is your way. Just pretend like getting nailed for lying and hypocrisy never happened. Just like the little ad hominem you tacked on to the end of your post, because you sure as s**t didn’t try to counter their points.

 

[squawk]

Folks, this is why Oppositional Defiance Disorder is the prime qualifier for admission into the 6%ers

 

[DirtyBeech]

Look. Two ad hominems in one sentence.

Thank you for both demonstrating the “lowest form of debate” as you put it and your own hypocrisy.

Btw, since you were a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, how is that investigation coming for all the porn that was allegedly sent to you? Didn’t catch you in another bald faced lie did I?

 

[I'mBack]

Another #FakeNews broadcast by EnFuego and DB. Why do you guys even work at FJ? We could all benefit from seeing you guys leave. You two can go from working here to being like the other trolls on these boards that don't work here. Neither of you know how to play nice in the sandbox. Now onto your statements about [name removed by moderator] and [name removed by moderator]. These guys are clearly more intelligent than both of you. I've only had the pleasure of meeting [name removed by moderator] but he was one of the nicest and genuine guys I've ever met. [name removed by moderator] has been sending out nothing but positive changes to us and from what I've heard, he listens and works with us. How are these guys cowards, liars or rejects? Try something factual.

I'm starting to realize it now but maybe neither of you were given life guidance as you grew up. And because of that I'm starting a new series just for you guys call #Life_Lessons.

Lesson Number 1: Steps to not being ***holes.

1. Stop Hiding Behind your "Alpha" Label (which is nothing but a positive-sounding synonym for **holes)
-- we all know at this point that EnFuego lacks intelligence and DB you've drank so much Kool-Aid you are drunk from it.

2. Realize Empathy is Not Just for P*ssies
-- We all know that you're most comfortable displaying strong, negative emotions
-- You don't cry; you rage
-- You start with the only one thing you deem acceptable: self-righteous fury

3. Make sure others know and understands your internal rules
-- We all know that you BOTH drive a truck with balls on the hitch and try and fight strangers in bars; we fly airplanes here
-- EnFuego you have such anger in your messaging that it should be clinically evaluated
-- DB you're far too insecure to man up and apologize (and that's ok)

4. Question Your Motivations
-- You BOTH should try a new emotional shortcut to help you fake your way into behaving like a decent human beings
-- EnFuego - you must think your life is like an action move the way you act

5. Ask Yourself One More Question Before You do Anything
-- Does what I'm about to do benefit me more than it inconveniences others?

There you go guys the first #Life_Lesson for EnFuego and [name removed by moderator]. More to come as these posts continue....

 

[squawk]

Kek!
:beer:

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Look. Two ad hominems in one sentence.

Thank you for both demonstrating the “lowest form of debate” as you put it and your own hypocrisy.

Btw, since you were a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, how is that investigation coming for all the porn that was allegedly sent to you? Didn’t catch you in another bald faced lie did I?

WTF are you talking about?
does this guy work for us???

 

[DirtyBeech]

Kek!
:beer:

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WTF are you talking about?
does this guy work for us???

You’re quite right squawk. I’ll keep the words small, sentences short and pop culture references to a minimum so that you can keep pace. You’re having real trouble squaring your ad hominem attacks and outright lies with the accusations you are making. So, like the as hominem but, I’ll diagram things for you.

You were one of the ones in the IBT truck flipping off half the pilot group. There was a pretty famous aviation movie where a pilot referred to flipping off an enemy pilot as maintaining foreign relations.

Shortly after you flipped off half the pilot group a rather absurd claim of pornography being sent to members of your auspicious group was made as well as a reward of $10k being offered by 2NN if the alledged perpetrators were brought to light.

I was inquiring about the ongoing investigation of such events, because we know nothing like that would ever be made up on the eve of an election tonway a vote. I’m sure this matter was reported to the authorities. You know, people with the skills to actually track down such things.

As for your last comment....short term memory loss or just the inability to keep stories straight between multiple account users? I worked for Flex for nearly 11 years. I’ve been gone less than 1. So I’ll again ask the question that is avoided each time it’s asked. How does one’s place of employment make one’s opinions invalid or wrong?

The answer, that you will avoid like much of the above posts nailing you for your BS, is that t doesn’t. It’s a deflection, because you and yours get hammered on the merits of each argument as the facts are rarely if ever on your side.

 

[squawk]

You’re quite right squawk. I’ll keep the words small, sentences short and pop culture references to a minimum so that you can keep pace. You’re having real trouble squaring your ad hominem attacks and outright lies with the accusations you are making. So, like the as hominem but, I’ll diagram things for you.

You were one of the ones in the IBT truck flipping off half the pilot group. There was a pretty famous aviation movie where a pilot referred to flipping off an enemy pilot as maintaining foreign relations.

Shortly after you flipped off half the pilot group a rather absurd claim of pornography being sent to members of your auspicious group was made as well as a reward of $10k being offered by 2NN if the alledged perpetrators were brought to light.

I was inquiring about the ongoing investigation of such events, because we know nothing like that would ever be made up on the eve of an election tonway a vote. I’m sure this matter was reported to the authorities. You know, people with the skills to actually track down such things.

As for your last comment....short term memory loss or just the inability to keep stories straight between multiple account users? I worked for Flex for nearly 11 years. I’ve been gone less than 1. So I’ll again ask the question that is avoided each time it’s asked. How does one’s place of employment make one’s opinions invalid or wrong?

The answer, that you will avoid like much of the above posts nailing you for your BS, is that t doesn’t. It’s a deflection, because you and yours get hammered on the merits of each argument as the facts are rarely if ever on your side.

Come back to grind your axe, eh?

 

[DirtyBeech]

Another #FakeNews broadcast by EnFuego and DB. Why do you guys even work at FJ? We could all benefit from seeing you guys leave. You two can go from working here to being like the other trolls on these boards that don't work here. Neither of you know how to play nice in the sandbox.

It must be hard not being able to remember your own BS. We’ve already had a row where I explained in depth why my current place of employment far exceeds your little sweat shop. You may recall that even one of your turd buddies in the office created an account expressway aimed at me and my employment before being banned.

Now onto your statements about JW and RH. These guys are clearly more intelligent than both of you. I've only had the pleasure of meeting RH but he was one of the nicest and genuine guys I've ever met. JW has been sending out nothing but positive changes to us and from what I've heard, he listens and works with us. How are these guys cowards, liars or rejects? Try something factual.

I’ve met [name removed by moderator] one time. His hire was a mistake as detailed above. I have seen enough of his postings to know he consistently has the facts wrong and molds his message to whoever is his immediate superior. In other words, his convictions are remarkably malleable.

[name removed by moderator] was fired once for making racist comments in a spat with a fellow employee. He’s lied to my face any number of times and I distrusted him from the moment I laid eyes on him. We reached a state of detente (big word for you to look up squawk) towards the end of my tenure and could be cordial to one another.

I'm starting to realize it now but maybe neither of you were given life guidance as you grew up. And because of that I'm starting a new series just for you guys call #Life_Lessons.

Lesson Number 1: Steps to not being ***holes.

1. Stop Hiding Behind your "Alpha" Label (which is nothing but a positive-sounding synonym for **holes)
-- we all know at this point that EnFuego lacks intelligence and DB you've drank so much Kool-Aid you are drunk from it.

Being an alpha as you put it means not stepping on the backs of your fellow employees. It means protecting the field by not flying tired, flying broke, ignoring performance, accepting rollling rest or, and, this is for you in particular, showing up to training prepared to not fail multiple type rides in a row.

It’s also having the courage to call out people for being wrong. Like you. And often.

2. Realize Empathy is Not Just for P*ssies
-- We all know that you're most comfortable displaying strong, negative emotions
-- You don't cry; you rage
-- You start with the only one thing you deem acceptable: self-righteous fury

Pot/Kettle

I have zero empathy for your type and hope I never do. I also have no empathy for those who can’t be bothered to inform themselves of the facts of a decision as monumental as the decert vote. And the next well informed decert voter I come across, even one well informed of the company’s positions, will be the first.

3. Make sure others know and understands your internal rules
-- We all know that you BOTH drive a truck with balls on the hitch and try and fight strangers in bars; we fly airplanes here
-- EnFuego you have such anger in your messaging that it should be clinically evaluated
-- DB you're far too insecure to man up and apologize (and that's ok)

I drive a Honda Civic and have been to less bars than you have failed checkrides. Tell me what I should apologize for and I’ll analyze the merits, if any, of your accusation. But we know you have a bag full of nothing on that account. You’re about as bad at your psychoanalysis as squawk. Big word squawk. Look it up. I know you fly airplanes. Poorly. Your training failures are the stuff of legend.

4. Question Your Motivations
-- You BOTH should try a new emotional shortcut to help you fake your way into behaving like a decent human beings
-- EnFuego - you must think your life is like an action move the way you act

Decent human beings don’t step on the backs of their fellow employees to get ahead. You failed that test before you even finished scribbling your name at the top.

5. Ask Yourself One More Question Before You do Anything
-- Does what I'm about to do benefit me more than it inconveniences others?

Self awareness. You have none. An a$$hole schill for dedicated crewing, seniority junking, separate pay scales, and who started his own little personal war because his small intellect didn’t understand why his Hawker CA pay wasn’t pay protected when his fleet went away is the last person who should ever tell others to ask that question.

There you go guys the first #Life_Lesson for EnFuego and DB. More to come as these posts continue....

You’re an abject lesson in how not to conduct one self. So much so that you are completely and utterly boned if [name removed by moderator] decides you’re usefulness has ended or Onesky as we know it folds. You’ll never hold an aviation job outside of DAC again. Not even if you could pass the training.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Come back to grind your axe, eh?

I’m not the one pretending like this site is unimportant or that I don’t have time for it. That would be you. I can find quotes to that effect too if you desire another slap down.

Again, why are you here?