OneSky SLI Committee

[squawk]

The prosecution rests.

It is not ad hominem when pointing out the truth to you and your 6% club.
If Squawk tells you that you are wrong again DB, that’s not ad hominem, it’s the simple truth.
When one of the 6%ers calls JW or RH a liar and coward, that’s the lowest form of argument.

 

[DirtyBeech]

An ad hominem attack is attacking a person’s character instead of their argument. It doesn’t matter if the attack is true or not. Again, squawk, I can post a link for you since you don’t seem to grasp the concept.

And there are screen shots out there where both JW and RH referred to individuals as both of these terms that horrify you so.

Not that you care as a raging hypocrite. Noticed you ignored that part which is your way. Just pretend like getting nailed for lying and hypocrisy never happened. Just like the little ad hominem you tacked on to the end of your post, because you sure as s**t didn’t try to counter their points.

 

[squawk]

Folks, this is why Oppositional Defiance Disorder is the prime qualifier for admission into the 6%ers

 

[DirtyBeech]

Look. Two ad hominems in one sentence.

Thank you for both demonstrating the “lowest form of debate” as you put it and your own hypocrisy.

Btw, since you were a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, how is that investigation coming for all the porn that was allegedly sent to you? Didn’t catch you in another bald faced lie did I?

 

[I'mBack]

Another #FakeNews broadcast by EnFuego and DB. Why do you guys even work at FJ? We could all benefit from seeing you guys leave. You two can go from working here to being like the other trolls on these boards that don't work here. Neither of you know how to play nice in the sandbox. Now onto your statements about [name removed by moderator] and [name removed by moderator]. These guys are clearly more intelligent than both of you. I've only had the pleasure of meeting [name removed by moderator] but he was one of the nicest and genuine guys I've ever met. [name removed by moderator] has been sending out nothing but positive changes to us and from what I've heard, he listens and works with us. How are these guys cowards, liars or rejects? Try something factual.

I'm starting to realize it now but maybe neither of you were given life guidance as you grew up. And because of that I'm starting a new series just for you guys call #Life_Lessons.

Lesson Number 1: Steps to not being ***holes.

1. Stop Hiding Behind your "Alpha" Label (which is nothing but a positive-sounding synonym for **holes)
-- we all know at this point that EnFuego lacks intelligence and DB you've drank so much Kool-Aid you are drunk from it.

2. Realize Empathy is Not Just for P*ssies
-- We all know that you're most comfortable displaying strong, negative emotions
-- You don't cry; you rage
-- You start with the only one thing you deem acceptable: self-righteous fury

3. Make sure others know and understands your internal rules
-- We all know that you BOTH drive a truck with balls on the hitch and try and fight strangers in bars; we fly airplanes here
-- EnFuego you have such anger in your messaging that it should be clinically evaluated
-- DB you're far too insecure to man up and apologize (and that's ok)

4. Question Your Motivations
-- You BOTH should try a new emotional shortcut to help you fake your way into behaving like a decent human beings
-- EnFuego - you must think your life is like an action move the way you act

5. Ask Yourself One More Question Before You do Anything
-- Does what I'm about to do benefit me more than it inconveniences others?

There you go guys the first #Life_Lesson for EnFuego and [name removed by moderator]. More to come as these posts continue....

 

[squawk]

Kek!
:beer:

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Look. Two ad hominems in one sentence.

Thank you for both demonstrating the “lowest form of debate” as you put it and your own hypocrisy.

Btw, since you were a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, how is that investigation coming for all the porn that was allegedly sent to you? Didn’t catch you in another bald faced lie did I?

WTF are you talking about?
does this guy work for us???

 

[DirtyBeech]

Kek!
:beer:

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WTF are you talking about?
does this guy work for us???

You’re quite right squawk. I’ll keep the words small, sentences short and pop culture references to a minimum so that you can keep pace. You’re having real trouble squaring your ad hominem attacks and outright lies with the accusations you are making. So, like the as hominem but, I’ll diagram things for you.

You were one of the ones in the IBT truck flipping off half the pilot group. There was a pretty famous aviation movie where a pilot referred to flipping off an enemy pilot as maintaining foreign relations.

Shortly after you flipped off half the pilot group a rather absurd claim of pornography being sent to members of your auspicious group was made as well as a reward of $10k being offered by 2NN if the alledged perpetrators were brought to light.

I was inquiring about the ongoing investigation of such events, because we know nothing like that would ever be made up on the eve of an election tonway a vote. I’m sure this matter was reported to the authorities. You know, people with the skills to actually track down such things.

As for your last comment....short term memory loss or just the inability to keep stories straight between multiple account users? I worked for Flex for nearly 11 years. I’ve been gone less than 1. So I’ll again ask the question that is avoided each time it’s asked. How does one’s place of employment make one’s opinions invalid or wrong?

The answer, that you will avoid like much of the above posts nailing you for your BS, is that t doesn’t. It’s a deflection, because you and yours get hammered on the merits of each argument as the facts are rarely if ever on your side.

 

[squawk]

You’re quite right squawk. I’ll keep the words small, sentences short and pop culture references to a minimum so that you can keep pace. You’re having real trouble squaring your ad hominem attacks and outright lies with the accusations you are making. So, like the as hominem but, I’ll diagram things for you.

You were one of the ones in the IBT truck flipping off half the pilot group. There was a pretty famous aviation movie where a pilot referred to flipping off an enemy pilot as maintaining foreign relations.

Shortly after you flipped off half the pilot group a rather absurd claim of pornography being sent to members of your auspicious group was made as well as a reward of $10k being offered by 2NN if the alledged perpetrators were brought to light.

I was inquiring about the ongoing investigation of such events, because we know nothing like that would ever be made up on the eve of an election tonway a vote. I’m sure this matter was reported to the authorities. You know, people with the skills to actually track down such things.

As for your last comment....short term memory loss or just the inability to keep stories straight between multiple account users? I worked for Flex for nearly 11 years. I’ve been gone less than 1. So I’ll again ask the question that is avoided each time it’s asked. How does one’s place of employment make one’s opinions invalid or wrong?

The answer, that you will avoid like much of the above posts nailing you for your BS, is that t doesn’t. It’s a deflection, because you and yours get hammered on the merits of each argument as the facts are rarely if ever on your side.

Come back to grind your axe, eh?

 

[DirtyBeech]

Another #FakeNews broadcast by EnFuego and DB. Why do you guys even work at FJ? We could all benefit from seeing you guys leave. You two can go from working here to being like the other trolls on these boards that don't work here. Neither of you know how to play nice in the sandbox.

It must be hard not being able to remember your own BS. We’ve already had a row where I explained in depth why my current place of employment far exceeds your little sweat shop. You may recall that even one of your turd buddies in the office created an account expressway aimed at me and my employment before being banned.

Now onto your statements about JW and RH. These guys are clearly more intelligent than both of you. I've only had the pleasure of meeting RH but he was one of the nicest and genuine guys I've ever met. JW has been sending out nothing but positive changes to us and from what I've heard, he listens and works with us. How are these guys cowards, liars or rejects? Try something factual.

I’ve met [name removed by moderator] one time. His hire was a mistake as detailed above. I have seen enough of his postings to know he consistently has the facts wrong and molds his message to whoever is his immediate superior. In other words, his convictions are remarkably malleable.

[name removed by moderator] was fired once for making racist comments in a spat with a fellow employee. He’s lied to my face any number of times and I distrusted him from the moment I laid eyes on him. We reached a state of detente (big word for you to look up squawk) towards the end of my tenure and could be cordial to one another.

I'm starting to realize it now but maybe neither of you were given life guidance as you grew up. And because of that I'm starting a new series just for you guys call #Life_Lessons.

Lesson Number 1: Steps to not being ***holes.

1. Stop Hiding Behind your "Alpha" Label (which is nothing but a positive-sounding synonym for **holes)
-- we all know at this point that EnFuego lacks intelligence and DB you've drank so much Kool-Aid you are drunk from it.

Being an alpha as you put it means not stepping on the backs of your fellow employees. It means protecting the field by not flying tired, flying broke, ignoring performance, accepting rollling rest or, and, this is for you in particular, showing up to training prepared to not fail multiple type rides in a row.

It’s also having the courage to call out people for being wrong. Like you. And often.

2. Realize Empathy is Not Just for P*ssies
-- We all know that you're most comfortable displaying strong, negative emotions
-- You don't cry; you rage
-- You start with the only one thing you deem acceptable: self-righteous fury

Pot/Kettle

I have zero empathy for your type and hope I never do. I also have no empathy for those who can’t be bothered to inform themselves of the facts of a decision as monumental as the decert vote. And the next well informed decert voter I come across, even one well informed of the company’s positions, will be the first.

3. Make sure others know and understands your internal rules
-- We all know that you BOTH drive a truck with balls on the hitch and try and fight strangers in bars; we fly airplanes here
-- EnFuego you have such anger in your messaging that it should be clinically evaluated
-- DB you're far too insecure to man up and apologize (and that's ok)

I drive a Honda Civic and have been to less bars than you have failed checkrides. Tell me what I should apologize for and I’ll analyze the merits, if any, of your accusation. But we know you have a bag full of nothing on that account. You’re about as bad at your psychoanalysis as squawk. Big word squawk. Look it up. I know you fly airplanes. Poorly. Your training failures are the stuff of legend.

4. Question Your Motivations
-- You BOTH should try a new emotional shortcut to help you fake your way into behaving like a decent human beings
-- EnFuego - you must think your life is like an action move the way you act

Decent human beings don’t step on the backs of their fellow employees to get ahead. You failed that test before you even finished scribbling your name at the top.

5. Ask Yourself One More Question Before You do Anything
-- Does what I'm about to do benefit me more than it inconveniences others?

Self awareness. You have none. An a$$hole schill for dedicated crewing, seniority junking, separate pay scales, and who started his own little personal war because his small intellect didn’t understand why his Hawker CA pay wasn’t pay protected when his fleet went away is the last person who should ever tell others to ask that question.

There you go guys the first #Life_Lesson for EnFuego and DB. More to come as these posts continue....

You’re an abject lesson in how not to conduct one self. So much so that you are completely and utterly boned if [name removed by moderator] decides you’re usefulness has ended or Onesky as we know it folds. You’ll never hold an aviation job outside of DAC again. Not even if you could pass the training.

 

[DirtyBeech]

Come back to grind your axe, eh?

I’m not the one pretending like this site is unimportant or that I don’t have time for it. That would be you. I can find quotes to that effect too if you desire another slap down.

Again, why are you here?

 

[squawk]

If DB is actually gone, and I have some suspicion he is not and just trying to cloak his identity even more due to his dumpster fire attitude, then the dude is too unhinged to belong in a cockpit. Guys like this make a good argument for adding a mental health review to the Airman’s Medical exam.

 

[rajflyboy]

If DB is actually gone, and I have some suspicion he is not and just trying to cloak his identity even more due to his dumpster fire attitude, then the dude is too unhinged to belong in a cockpit. Guys like this make a good argument for adding a mental health review to the Airman’s Medical exam.

there is already a mental health review when you take your medical

 

[DirtyBeech]

Consistently wrong, but never in doubt is a hard way to go through life.

 

[I'mBack]

DB - keep up the BS here because on APC you're getting great press. Perhaps you'll find out that you aren't as well liked as you think at your miserable job. Please continue to troll these pages because I'm enjoying teaching you #Life_Lessons.

Life Lesson #2

DON'T BURN YOUR BRIDGES
[FONT=q_serif]-- DB when you feel slighted and your emotions run high, it may feel good to drastically cut off ties but that's only because you don't know any better
-- You may not be able to measure the impact right now, but in the future, you'll find out how little you actually knew
-- You're the guy who loves to destroy relationships or maybe it is difficult to man up. We are all sorry that is how you are wired.

There you go another #Life_Lesson for our good friend DB. #Lesson2Complete
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[DirtyBeech]

You’ll have to direct me to the DB is getting great press section. I’m sure it’s more than likely one of the members of this forum spending time doing butthurt things because they can’t hang here.

 

[squawk]

there is already a mental health review when you take your medical

you mean you check no in the little psychotic box?
thats the review?

 

[exagony]

DB - keep up the BS here because on APC you're getting great press. Perhaps you'll find out that you aren't as well liked as you think at your miserable job. Please continue to troll these pages because I'm enjoying teaching you #Life_Lessons.

Life Lesson #2

DON'T BURN YOUR BRIDGES
[FONT=q_serif]-- DB when you feel slighted and your emotions run high, it may feel good to drastically cut off ties but that's only because you don't know any better
-- You may not be able to measure the impact right now, but in the future, you'll find out how little you actually knew
-- You're the guy who loves to destroy relationships or maybe it is difficult to man up. We are all sorry that is how you are wired.

There you go another #Life_Lesson for our good friend DB. #Lesson2Complete
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Don’t burn your bridges eh? All you decert guys naplamed your bridges with the majors. Believe me they are collecting your names

 

[DirtyBeech]

Even money the OP jumped the gun on a post meant to deride me.

I liked the shout out to the mods on my behalf too. Never mind the fact that the initials redacted in my post are the exact same ones I’m quoting from the OP.

It’s ok girls. I know you’re watching.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Sure the decert guys have earned the derision of their colleagues industry wide but apparently there's also a different kind of reckoning going on.

Talked to a former colleague who was very union supportive about his lack of interest from a particular major despite glowing reccomemdations from several of the carriers current pilots, previous 121 experience, 10k plus hours etc...

Finally one of his old colleagues, a current pilot for this particular carrier asked around to investigate why his old bud can't even get an interview. Apparently his application has been put on hold by the CP's office. Essentially that means this particular pilot will never be contacted for any private job fairs, asked to interview or be updated on any public hiring events.

Granted this is a pretty normal practice when HR runs across a no-hire scenario. Previous negative employment history, criminal backgrounds, horrendous previous interview etc could all explain it away.

But why would a pilot with no previous experience with a particular carrier get a hold on his application by the Chief Pilot's office? Geez I know of guys with 1/2 dozen checkride failures who are getting hired at majors with the kind of qualifications most FJ captains would have.

So, is RH making good on his well documented drunken promises to ruin the careers of a handful of particular pilots? That can't be right? Didn't you guys get a promise there would be no casualties and management was going to take the high road and prove to 218 of you it's not the end all good things?

Despite the promises all is forgiven and the slate is clean, if I were one of the 218 let alone a vocal union supporter, I'd be looking out for my back. With no union to protect your seniority you'll be the first to go when the economy dives. Where will you go if RH is making sure all these buddies and pals at the majors he's been bragging about are no-contacting pilots based on his recommendation? Is it just to slow the exodus or is there something more sinister behind it?

Anyone who knows RH well knows it's all fine and well when you're on his good side. Even fine enough you can overlook his blatant embellishment/dishonesty with almost everything. However get on his bad side and he is one vindictive and furious opponent who will stop at nothing.

You got to hand it to him. For all the threats about hiring issues should the union be voted out, no one saw what RH had in his back pocket coming.

 

[EnFuego]

What carrier? You can pm me if you don't want to say on here. And AIN has an article about flex that says a committee has been formed to fix the SLI. Still no word on who management picked for the members. Transparency...