One Union One Contract

[ex j-41]

Just an idea... But if we had only one contract one union and we all had to
have a minimum amount of experience to be a part of the union then
this whipsawing would not happen and it would be a win-win for all.
Fares would raise to what they should be.
Airlines would have to be efficient with resources, sales and marketing
rather than relying just on cutting labor costs to make a profit.
Or do we need an administration that cares about labor first?


http://www.ibew.org/links/index.htm

 

[RJDC]

Gee, what a novel concept! What are you waiting for? Come join us.

 

[SlapShot]

I would prefer it to be called:

Coalition of
Regional
Airline
Pilots

 

[ex j-41]

Special High Intensity Training

Yes i am sure that management will still make sure that we get our share
of "Special High Intensity Training".

No doubt.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Why is it no one complains when times are good? The system only sucks when you having a tough time. You guys are real american heros...

Get informed. Quit whining...

 

[CRJDog]

IMHO, the only way that anyone will listen is that EVERY ALPA carrier pilot just wakes up one day and walks out of the job saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH!! That will bring the country to a standstill. Do we have that unity? Do we have the pelotas? NOPE!!

The saga continues....

 

[pilotyip]

Fares would raise, passengers would decrease. The marginal passengers will forgo the trip or drive their car. The number of pilots needed would also decrease. Raising fares would be good for the top of the seniority list and bad for the bottom of the seniority list.

 

[Phony Marconi]

I would prefer it to be called:

Coalition of
Regional
Airline
Pilots

LOL!......or maybe:

Dreaming
About a
Mainline
Number

 

[Master Shake]

You guys are real american heros...

Ahhh, negative...that's G.I. Joe.

 

[relief tube]

Fares would raise, passengers would decrease. The marginal passengers will forgo the trip or drive their car. The number of pilots needed would also decrease. Raising fares would be good for the top of the seniority list and bad for the bottom of the seniority list.

BS, if fares'd raise 30 bucks, people would still fly. People will fly AT THE LEAST up to the point where it's equal to the cost of driving, and with the cheap long distance flights currently, there's some room to raise those prices.

The way things currently are, Jetblue's loosing money and even Southwest will start losing money when their hedges run out.

 

[pilotyip]

Not true tube, you have seen what happens when someone raised their fare $10, ridership fell like a rock and the raise was removed the next day. Internet shopping makes that almost impossible

 

[Caveman]

I disagree Yip. Suppose airline ABC and airline XYZ offer the city pairings a family of four is looking for. Let's also assume ABC and XYZ charge the same amount. Service, frequency and comfort will decide who gets the business. If ABC raises their tickets $10 then the $40 savings for a family trumps service, frequency and comfort and XYZ will win. If both ABC and XYZ raise their fees $10 to cover increases in labor costs then we are back to square one: service, frequency and comfort are again the deciding factors. The $10 increase only matters if only one airline raises their fees. If everybody raised ticket prices $10-$20 across the board nobody would stop flying and everybody would move significantly back towards sustainable profitability. The $40-$80 increase for a family of four won't stop the majority of people from flying. If they can save $40-$80 by flying with somebody else they will, but if everybody is roughly the same amount you could, IMO, increase fares 10-15% nationwide and it wouldn't affect loads one bit.

 

[ultrarunner]

IMHO, the only way that anyone will listen is that EVERY ALPA carrier pilot just wakes up one day and walks out of the job saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH!! That will bring the country to a standstill. Do we have that unity? Do we have the pelotas? NOPE!!

The saga continues....

National strikes can be effective. The problem is that the ALPA pilot groups keep doing what they are told. It really is sad.

Take a look at what the Belgiums are doing in repsonse to the governments proposal to raise the retirement age BY ONLY TWO YEARS.

<http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/10/28/belgium.strike.ap/>

ALPA pilots, and US labor groups in general, and not unified. It's all about ME.

Now, go pay your dues and quit your bitchin, or stand up and fight and stage a national walk-out. This really is what has to happen.

I would gladly have to get in my car and drive.

You would gain more respect for your industy than you can ever imagine.

 

[suupah]

I hate to say it, but i think that America needs to feel a day without pilots and see what the airlines do for the country and maybe we can get more popular support. Right now they could care less other than getting a low ticket fare.

Beyond what happens to vacationers and recreational travelers, I bet people don't realize just how much airtravel effects the economy and stability of their lives. It is about time.

Just an idea... But if we had only one contract one union and we all had to
have a minimum amount of experience to be a part of the union then
this whipsawing would not happen and it would be a win-win for all.
Fares would raise to what they should be.
Airlines would have to be efficient with resources, sales and marketing
rather than relying just on cutting labor costs to make a profit.
Or do we need an administration that cares about labor first?


http://www.ibew.org/links/index.htm

 

[ultrarunner]

I hate to say it, but i think that America needs to feel a day without pilots and see what the airlines do for the country and maybe we can get more popular support. Right now they could care less other than getting a low ticket fare.

I'm with ya. And not just a day...a couple of weeks. Right now, DAL, UAL, NWA, USAir, et. al., have been, and are getting raped. Haven't even put up a fight.


I gotta belive that if all those groups I just mentioned, walked off in unity in protest of what the govenment and management has done to them it would get noticed. And in a big FRIGGIN WAY!

You don't think that kunt sitting on the bench would change her attitude when she's stuck on the ground over the holidays, and her family stuck in airports, or all those suites on the Hill?

You bet your bottom.

This industy needs a national walk out, and now is the perfect time. Walk on midnight of Nov. 22 and tell the world you'll be in touch! If Alpa pilots squander this opportunity, they have no one to blame but themselves for the end result.

And it really is as simple as that.

 

[JohnDoe]

quote:
"you have seen what happens when someone raised their fare $10, ridership fell like a rock and the raise was removed the next day. "


No, the raise was removed the next day because there was always a carrier that didn't go along with the increase.


To answer the original question about one union, one contract: It will never happen from the simple aspect of management never allowing it to happen. No whipsaw......

 

[pilotyip]

look what one union, one contract did to the US Shipping industry. Great wages, no jobs

 

[ultrarunner]

No, the raise was removed the next day because there was always a carrier that didn't go along with the increase.

And THAT is a unity problem among airline management.

They need to get together like the oil company's.

When was the last time a gas station raised it's prices, and everyone one else didn't follow.

They, my friends, have the right idea.

If oil company's can legally price-fix, so can airlines. And I'm good with that.

 

[JohnDoe]

I've always wondered how it is the oil companies can get away with raising and lowering their prices simultaniously, and to the exact same amount.

If the airlines tried that, there would be anti-trust lawsuits (or something of that nature) from coast to coast, politicians screaming "foul" etc. etc....

Oh well......

 

[Cadillac]

One regional, one contract, one payrate.


Works for anyone mesa or below, but for the rest of us with balls, we dont want the paycut or drop in lifestyle.

 

[Dash8301]

You know we at the "regionals" already outnumber those at the "majors" and we could take over ALPA from the inside if we could all agree on something. However this will never happen because their are those "regionals" out there who think that if they just take a little lower pay maybe they can jump ahead of those "regionals" that demand to be paid what they are worth. However they never will be because of the aforementioned group. Now I know I'm one of the biggest MESA bashers on this board. But I'm serious we could replace Duane Worthless with a regional pilot at the next BOD (Board of Directors) meeting in Oct 07 but we"regional pilots" would actually have to band together as a group and that is something i personally think is impossible. Anyway just my 2 cents.

 

[B190Captain]

I'm with ya. And not just a day...a couple of weeks. Right now, DAL, UAL, NWA, USAir, et. al., have been, and are getting raped. Haven't even put up a fight.


I gotta belive that if all those groups I just mentioned, walked off in unity in protest of what the govenment and management has done to them it would get noticed. And in a big FRIGGIN WAY!

You don't think that kunt sitting on the bench would change her attitude when she's stuck on the ground over the holidays, and her family stuck in airports, or all those suites on the Hill?

You bet your bottom.

This industy needs a national walk out, and now is the perfect time. Walk on midnight of Nov. 22 and tell the world you'll be in touch! If Alpa pilots squander this opportunity, they have no one to blame but themselves for the end result.

And it really is as simple as that.

I am all for that!! A national walk-out will definetly do the trick and make these ignorant pukes wake up and smell what they are shovelin!

Nov 22, I am walkin!! WHOS WITH ME?!?

 

[kngarthur]

Just an idea... But if we had only one contract one union and we all had to
have a minimum amount of experience to be a part of the union then
this whipsawing would not happen and it would be a win-win for all.
Fares would raise to what they should be.
Airlines would have to be efficient with resources, sales and marketing
rather than relying just on cutting labor costs to make a profit.
Or do we need an administration that cares about labor first?


http://www.ibew.org/links/index.htm

Commie!

 

[DAS at 10/250]

This is a brilliant idea! Let's force a piss poor product on the American people and make them pay an inflated price for it! Let's force the American people to pay an inflated price so that I can be paid what I think I need to be paid! Hell, I had no idea that regional pilots were paid so little! I had no idea that every swing dick around was trying to play fly boy. I can't believe that DCA, FlightSafety, Phoenix East, Riddle, UND, ATP, Tab, Gulfstream, etc. lied to me and told me that there was a pilot shortage. I can't believe I havn't made captain this year. I have a 1000 hours and 100 in a Dutchess. What gives? I can't beleive that I got into a market that runs on razor thin margains in the good times and is over diluted with capacity which is why I got my job in the first place! How dare those management bastards! I want to play pilot and I want to make a 100K, lets force the American people to pay what WE want them to pay. To hell with 2005 and free market! Let's bring back the CAB and 1978 Regulation baby! Yeah!

 

[ex j-41]

Commie?

Commie?

No far from it.

I am just smart enough to know that Capitalism has its faults. And must be
somewhat regulated or EVIL people will do EVIL things.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I hate to say it, but i think that America needs to feel a day without pilots and see what the airlines do for the country and maybe we can get more popular support. Right now they could care less other than getting a low ticket fare.

Beyond what happens to vacationers and recreational travelers, I bet people don't realize just how much airtravel effects the economy and stability of their lives. It is about time.

And ultrarunners repsonse to this is the icing on the biggest cake of ignorance.

There will be no SOS!!!! SOS is illegal in the RLA. For the very reason quoted above........

C'mon guys...you aren't this stupid. You are smart enough to get a pilots license.... pick up a book and inform yourselves...

Legacy Pilots with 20 year ALPA pins and ALPA-PAC stickers on thier flight case calling for a SOS.... Priceless....

There are many reasons this Profession is going away. Ignorance is one of them...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I hate to say it, but i think that America needs to feel a day without pilots and see what the airlines do for the country and maybe we can get more popular support. Right now they could care less other than getting a low ticket fare.

Beyond what happens to vacationers and recreational travelers, I bet people don't realize just how much airtravel effects the economy and stability of their lives. It is about time.

And ultrarunners repsonse to this is the icing on the biggest cake of ignorance.

There will be no SOS!!!! SOS is illegal in the RLA. For the very reason quoted above........

C'mon guys...you aren't this stupid. You are smart enough to get a pilots license.... pick up a book and inform yourselves...

Also, every month I hear Legacy Pilots with 20 year ALPA pins and ALPA-PAC stickers on thier flight case calling for a SOS.... Priceless....

There are many reasons this Profession is going away. Ignorance is one of them...

 

[ArcticFlier]

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