One Fractional Union

[SCT]

Cabbie, will the caterer be on the scab list, too?

 

[Lord Wakefield]

Warren HATES negative press.

Yes, picketers in Omaha are negative press, but his interference with legal picketing would be far worse.

Our union has already had some of our "negative" (against Warren and JH) ads in the main Omaha newspaper which, coincidentally, BH owns. It would have been easy for Warren to stop those, but he didn't. It would have been worse press for him to be seen interfering with the press than what those ads provided.

I'm sure the police will appreciate the hot chocolate. Thanks. I'll be there walking with my peers. Can't wait to see your hot chocolate booth.

Warren usually has no trouble avoiding negative press because the press loves him.
The APA 30 minute strike of 1996 proved that without national backing, all you have is a pilot club.
Hot Chocolate! Cool. Wish I could be there. There will be other pickets. Maybe Omaha next year or 2017?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Cabbie, will the caterer be on the scab list, too?

Please SCT. Don't tell me they want us to start preparing the catering too.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Bent, It doesn't matter if they are union or non-union. If they do work that is subject to a work action, then they will be considered scabs. Once they are on the scab list, you are always on the scab list...Even after you have passed. Next in line are the mom and pop charter companies. After that if an fbo puts fuel in one of those planes, they get added to the list.

Sorry, GC. You're reaching, but not getting there.

Using your analogy, let's say one of the legacy airline carriers gets released to self help and strikes. By your definition, anyone flying for another carrier, moving passengers between cities that the striking carrier serves - along with the fueling services they use, etc, etc, are all scabs.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Trying to misapply the term scab is not going to help the cause.

 

[G4dude]

Ignorance is no excuse.

Coercion by union goons is such a charming thing.

 

[CMI]

I disagree. I've worked 135 charter and am currently on the NJA seniority list. I had no idea who was paying what to who when I flew mom and pop. I was told 3 pax from A to B. I worried about WX, numbers, and duty time. That's it. I didn't care who was coming from where and wouldn't expect a 135 guy to either. The only definition of a scab that I can support is of a pilot that crosses a picket line to fly a QS tail. Period. Even if the 135 guy knew that it was a NJA selloff it isn't his fight. He's at his job flying his bird and what happens above him is irrelevant. We can't expect 135 guys to scrutinize where their flying is coming from. Let them do their jobs and let'd do ours.

Correct. Just do a Web search for scab.

Too bad the new union at TM will most likely not work. The biggest union mongers at TM have one foot out the door looking for other jobs, No B@LLS / OVERIES. Most pilots are full of hot air and management knows it.

 

[shanes123]

Cabbie. We agree on most issues. But you. Ant expect some charter pilot flying a ******************** job worst than flops to know who is paying the bill on his charter. I think you need to rethink that statement

 

[Praetorian]

Bylaws can be changed. Repeatedly.

It's not a bylaw thing thing. It's a DOL thing.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Sorry, GC. You're reaching, but not getting there.

Using your analogy, let's say one of the legacy airline carriers gets released to self help and strikes. By your definition, anyone flying for another carrier, moving passengers between cities that the striking carrier serves - along with the fueling services they use, etc, etc, are all scabs.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Trying to misapply the term scab is not going to help the cause.

False analogy. Its doing the work that is being struck. Like flying an airplane with United or Eastern on it during their strife. Hope that helps you understand.

 

[BentOver]

The only scab list in aviation, that I know of, has absolutely NO 91k/91/135 pilots on it....

For the most part those pilot groups cannot jumpseat, non-rev etc etc.... So going up to the cockpit to ask for a ride and getting compared to a scab list is a moot point.

Some lowly 91 charter pilot working in Kalamazoo for Bob's air charters is not going to have his aviation career come down to working a selloff from Netjets... Regional interviewers don't care, and Legacy carriers care even
Less... Especially about the corporate/ charter world...

NJASAP couldn't track selloffs during the furlough.. They sure the heck wouldn't be able to track hundreds of selloffs a day....

In the 121 world flights are required to be sold under an airlines "call sign". Take for example the Spirit strike.. Falcon Air operated those flights as "Spirit 2099"... You can bet Spirit management wishes they could have hidden the flights but no Bueno ...

In the 91k/91/135 world there is no such requirement... Execjet900 easily becomes N200JB from TEB- PBI... With Uncle Buffet seated in the back...

With basically two Union companies in the 91/91k/135 world there is not a whole lot of pull to pursuade a 25 yr old pilot not to accept a flight... To make matters worse, NJA is not the most liked company in corporate aviation.. A lot of departments closed because NJA could do it more efficiently with less hassle...

In the end, doing a trip for Netjets customers is no where near as detrimental to ones career as crossing a picket line at a 121 airline. Even if NJaSAP could figure out a way to track them all...