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2 questions:


1. Are parachutes required for this type of aerial activity?

2. If they were wearing chutes, is it humanly possible to exit the aircraft and deploy them??
 
For a demonstration flight? I'd assume that to be an aircraft demonstration, like if you were selling it to me...

You only need parachutes for intentional pitch or bank angles of 60* or more, correct?

I dunno if its humanly possible to get out or not...

-mini
 
So what if parachutes were required?...you think that parachutes and Jesus is going to save your ass? This was a plane load of skydivers that went in on a beefy Queen Air with a seasoned and highly experienced 2,900 hour pilot. The plane fell out of the sky and smote a preacher as he sat on his porch while he watched his kids play in the front yard. The kids were not hurt in the crash and the photo shown by the news depicted a crater where the house had been, in a cul-de-sac full of closely packed houses. I think God decided it was time to talk to the preacher and a fuel truck explosion or a train de-railment wasn't going to do the trick...but the Queen Air was quite convenient. Yes, the Lord works in mysterious ways.

VIDEO

An 8mm video was located in the front yard of the accident site. It was obtained from a helmet worn by one of the jumpers and was used to provide the occupants with a record of their jump. The video contained several previous jumps and also the first part of the accident flight, including the takeoff roll and initial climb of the airplane. It did not show the positions of the occupants during the taxi or takeoff.

A spectrum analysis of this video was conducted by a National Transportation Safety Board Engineering Services Specialist in an attempt to distinguish the sounds of the two engines. The sound of the left engine exhaust was heard on this analysis, but not the right engine. The specialist determined that the absence of the cabin door, and the position of the video audio pickup resulted in only the left engine being detected.

No useful information was obtained from this video.
Here's the linky to this video'd crash with everybody wearing parachutes in a twin engine airplane that smote a preacher on the ground....

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20001207X04585&key=1
 
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Yea...don't forget to wear that parachute!

THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT
Copyright (c) 1995, Landmark Communications, Inc.

DATE: Tuesday, September 12, 1995 TAG: 9509120252
SECTION: FRONT PAGE: A1 EDITION: FINAL
SOURCE: BY MIKE MATHER, STAFF WRITER
DATELINE: SHACKLEFORDS, VA. LENGTH: Long : 121 lines


PLANE CRASH AFTERMATH: FAULTY MOTOR SUSPECTED IN SKY-DIVING PLANE CRASH



Engine failure is suspected in the Sunday crash of a sky-diving plane that killed a Virginia Beach woman and 11 others, authorities said Monday.

The sky-diving club's records identified the woman as Gina Arbogast, 28, of the 200 block of 57th St. A member of the Peninsula Sky Divers said Arbogast, a nurse, was a novice jumper who had just completed her student training.

``She loved the beach, and she loved sky-diving,'' said Gina Arbogast's mother, Cathy Arbogast of Charlottesville. ``It was a passion.''

It was to be Gina Arbogast's first formation jump, club members said.

Witnesses said the twin-engine Beechcraft Queen Air appeared to be in trouble moments after take-off from the West Point Airport. The witnesses said the plane, with an engine either misfiring or dead, looked like it was returning to the airport when it went down about 1 1/2 miles from the small airfield.

A witness said the plane slammed into a house and broke apart. Moments later, fire spewed from the wreckage.

The plane landed on the home of the Rev. Vincent Harris, killing him.

``It was wobbling, and I heard it backfire,'' said Linda Harris, his sister-in-law. ``It did a twist in the airand then fell straight down.''

Her husband, Michael, tried to get into the burning home to save Vincent Harris but couldn't, she said.

He was the only casualty on the ground. His 8-year-old son, Vincent Jr., and a friend were playing in the yard, neighbors said, but neither was hurt. The home was destroyed.

Harris' wife had just left their home to pick up their 15-year-old daughter, Velicia, when the plane crashed.

Harris' family members gathered outside the charred home in tears early Monday.

``They understand the nature of life and death,'' said the Rev. Keith Parham, of the First Baptist Church in nearby Hockley. ``They understand death is not an enemy to God's children. They will miss his fellowship, but they know there is a greater fellowship on the other side. He is reunited with his mother.''

The airplane apparently fell straight to Earth, said Mike Benson, a spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board. There was no damage to the tall trees surrounding the burned home, and only heat damage to the two homes flanking the crash site.

``The absence of damage to the trees certainly suggests that, but it will be a while before we know for sure,'' Benson said.

A Peninsula Sky Divers pilot said the accounts from witnesses led him to believe the crippled plane stalled and fell from the sky.

``It sounds like he lost a motor and had nowhere to go,'' said Winsor Naugler III. ``Sometimes your options just run out.''

The entire crash site was contained to only a portion of the Rev. Harris' back yard. The rear porch area of his home was leveled, but two white T-shirts hanging on a clothesline just 20 feet away were unsoiled and snapped in the afternoon breeze.

A Chevrolet Camaro in the back yard was burned on the side facing the Harrises' home, but not on the other side.

The only recognizable parts of the aircraft were an engine and propeller jutting from a pile of soot.

The plane had made numerous flights the day of the crash and had flown about 20 flights throughout the weekend, club members said.

The seats had been removed to accommodate the cargo of sky-divers, a commonplace and legal practice for such aircraft, Benson said.

Along with Gina Arbogast, club records identified the dead as:

The pilot, Nick Christian, 30, of Hampton.

Dave Ropp, 38, of Fredericksburg, and Ruth Sondheimer, 38, of Beltsville, Md., both longtime club members and instructors.

Jim Pratt, 36, of Silver Spring, Md.

Pierre Richard, 35, of Richmond.

Mike Faulkner, 27, of Newport News.

Thomas Isherwood, 31, of Quinton, a student jumper.

John Shaw, 34, of Chester.

Brett Jordan, 37, of Glen Allen, a student jumper.

Chesley Judy, 56, of Reston.

Eight other skydivers - in two groups of four - were asked at the last minute to give up their seats on the flight so the instructors and two students could get in a last jump, said club member Jimmy Sneed.

All 12 bodies were removed from the crash site early Monday, said state police spokeswoman Claire Capel. Capel said her department won't be able to confirm their identities until dental records are compared.

Representatives of the NTSB and the Federal Aviation Administration will sift through the wreckage for several days, Benson said. They will be joined by representatives of the aircraft and engine makers. A final report on the crash could take six months.

The aircraft didn't have a flight-data recorder - the so-called black box found on commercial airliners - because small planes aren't required to have them. The West Point airfield doesn't have a control tower, so there were no known communications before the crash, Benson said.

The last two major plane crashes that killed sky-divers occurred in 1992. All 12 people aboard were killed when a twin-engine Beechcraft B-18 went down near Hinckley, Ill., on Sept. 7, 1992. Sixteen people died when a De Havilland Twin Otter DHC 6-200 carrying 22 people crashed during takeoff on April 22, 1992, at Perris Valley Airport 70 miles east of Los Angeles.

Federal investigators blamed the California crash on pilot error, dirty fuel and overloading. In the Illinois crash, poor maintenance and inspection by the operator caused the engine to fail during takeoff, an NTSB report said. MEMO: The Associated Press contributed to this story.

ILLUSTRATION: [Color Photo]

TAMARA VONINSKI

Staff

A propeller is the most recognizable piece of debris sifted through

by members of a National Transportation Safety Board team.



ASSOCIATED PRESS

An aerial view of the site in Shacklefords on Monday shows the

destroyed home and intact adjacent homes that sustained only heat

damage. The homeowner died Sunday when the plane crashed into his

house.



Map

Graphic

JOHN EARLE/Staff

KEYWORDS: ACCIDENT PLANE FATALITIES
 
minitour said:
For a demonstration flight? I'd assume that to be an aircraft demonstration, like if you were selling it to me...

You only need parachutes for intentional pitch or bank angles of 60* or more, correct?

I dunno if its humanly possible to get out or not...

-mini
This was one of those pay-for-dogfight operations, with planned operations > 30 degrees pitch and 60 degrees roll, so parachutes were required.

There are a lot of variables that decide whether a parachute will help you in a situation like this. To get out, you have to jettison the canopy or door, get rid of your headset, unfasten your seatbelt and go over the side Battle of Britain style. You just need to hope your clothing doesn't snag on anything on the way out, and that part of the airplane doesn't knock you unconcious if it's spinning. If there are any kind of positive G-forces, your chances of getting out are slim, since it doesn't take much force to keep you pinned in your seat until you arrive at the accident scene.

I used to fly acro, and we always planned that if we had a problem with the airplane, we would consider egressing before we descended below about 3000', since below that, we were pretty much committed to landing the airplane with whatever problem it had.
 
Sniper Bob said:
1. Are parachutes required for this type of aerial activity?

2. If they were wearing chutes, is it humanly possible to exit the aircraft and deploy them??
1. Yes, they are required.

2. In this scenario, probably not. One wing and half the H-stab had separated from the aircraft. Chances are it was spinning so wildly that they were pinned in their seats against the side of the aircraft. If hey HAD been able to jettison the canopy, release their 4 or 5 point harness, and get out of the airplane...they probably would have been struck and knocked out or killed by the airplane(assuming it was spinning, which I can't imagine it not with only one wing).

IMO, the only thing that would have even possibly saved them in this situation was ejection seats.
 
jetbluedog said:
I would like to see this "onboard video tape".......do you suppose they were screaming all the way to the ground? Yipes.
Which is the EXACT reason I will always be against cameras in an airline cockpit. Here you are, sitting, drooling, and wishing to see the last terrified moments of someones life posted on the internet. Thats pathetic.
 
2. In this scenario, probably not. One wing and half the H-stab had separated from the aircraft. Chances are it was spinning so wildly that they were pinned in their seats against the side of the aircraft. If hey HAD been able to jettison the canopy, release their 4 or 5 point harness, and get out of the airplane...they probably would have been struck and knocked out or killed by the airplane(assuming it was spinning, which I can't imagine it not with only one wing).
I have wondered this, I got upset training and some very basic acro in an E300L. And the whole egress procedure seemed quite involved. The 5 point harness and getting rid of your headset, and then stepping onto the wing. I didnt think it was very possible to get out with out getting smacked by part of the plane.
 
At least one unlimited aerobatics aircraft (Sukhoi Su-26) is now available with an ejection seat for this exact reason.
It's still not quite as good as a military ejection system- all it does is get you outside the aircraft. The parachute is still a conventional rig. It doesn't have the pyrotechnic canopy spreaders like in military zero/zero systems. I'll bet there's still a minimum safe altitude to use it and have enough altitude for the parachute canopy to fill and open.
 

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