On touchdown...turns into LAHSO

[Jmmccutc]

LOL, that would have been great

I do remember where it happened now! It was Youngstown YNG.

Wankel

they have nothing to do there...

 

[cvsfly]

Actually Vector, I'm not disagreeing with you in regards to taxiway turn off - my tendency is to land long if I'm going a long way rather than hold up the people behind me in a long taxi. My assumption (as it was in KORF that almost turned bad) is that I am free to make my touch down point anywhere on the runway unless instructed otherwise. I 've had tower tell me to expect taxiway <blah>, which was at the far end of a long runway and assume it is a subtle hint to not land onto the numbers but maybe take it down a bit (assuming there's lots of space and I'm in something small of course)

Bad assumtion. Especially Part 135 it is required that you land in the first 3rd of the runway. Communication is a 2-way street. Let the controller know what you plan on or would like to do and he should tell you the same.

 

[Wankel7]

Yeah, I should have let him know that I wanted to go to the end of the runway.

However, take a look at the diagram. Rolling to the end almost makes sense.

Wankel

 

[BankAccount=0$]

they have nothing to do there...

Gotta love YNG...... I took a student that is working with another CFI up for his night X-C, I didn't really know too much about the kid, but his flight plan looked OK so off we went. After leaving ERI I noticed that he wasn't trying to get the ATIS at YNG, but I let him continue. A couple of minutes later I see him with a flashlight looking at his chart so I ask him what he is looking for and he says YNG??? The WX was CAVU that night and you could see everything for 40+ miles around us so VIS was not an issue, but if he had tuned the ATIS and or paid attention to his briefing he would have known that YNG was doing "lights out" procedures for the ANG to practice using their night vision goggles. It was a lesson he will not soon forget, moral of the story?? listen to the briefer or the ATIS, airports are VERY difficult to find at night when they turn out all the lights....

 

[HiFlyChick]

Especially Part 135 it is required that you land in the first 3rd of the runway.

Is this in a FAR or are you saying it's general practice?

 

[cvsfly]

Thought it was an FAR reference - didn't find it. Our training program references this and FSI emphasizes this in training and checking. Might come from the Inspector's handbook 8400.?

 

[minitour]

Is this in a FAR or are you saying it's general practice?

91.175 (C)
(1) The aircraft is continuously in a position from which a descent to a landing on the intended runway can be made at a normal rate of descent using normal maneuvers, and for operations conducted under part 121 or part 135 unless that descent rate will allow touchdown to occur within the touchdown zone of the runway of intended landing;

 

[HiFlyChick]

91.175 is titled "Take-off and landing under IFR". Do you know if this refers to flying under IMC, or does it mean whenever you file an IFR flight plan, even if it's screaming VFR? It seems to describe the conditions under which descent below the DH or MDA may be carried out, which seems to me that the intent is to prevent someone from passing the MAP, then catching sight of the runway and trying to make a landing on whatever runway is left.

I'd appreciate anyone's input (i.e. this is not just another argument for the sake of sport). As a Canadian that doesn't get to the US all that much, I would like to hear what the general consensus is on its interpretation with regards to choosing to land long under VMC conditions (Part 135 equivalent operator).

 

[minitour]

91.175 is titled "Take-off and landing under IFR". Do you know if this refers to flying under IMC, or does it mean whenever you file an IFR flight plan, even if it's screaming VFR? It seems to describe the conditions under which descent below the DH or MDA may be carried out, which seems to me that the intent is to prevent someone from passing the MAP, then catching sight of the runway and trying to make a landing on whatever runway is left.

Wow...that's an incredible argument. Even if you've been on an IFR flight plan, but cancel in the air, you're still a 135 operator. But now you're operating under VFR...so now what?

I tried looking under 135 specificially, but I couldn't find anything.

I guess you're right though. If you're cleared for the visual, there is no MDA or DH.

Any 135/121 gurus, examiners or check airmen on the board?

-mini

 

[Vector4fun]

Wow...that's an incredible argument....

Mini,

You are such a flirt...