OK, soap box time!

[Timebuilder]

As long as we are looking at modern conflict, let's not forget The Sudan, where non-Muslims are routinely beaten, tortured, enslaved and murdered at the hands of their Muslim oppressors.

Other Muslim countries have stepped in and halted this horror.

What? They haven't?



Aha. I suppose they think it should continue in that case.

 

[Marmaduke McPug]

http://www.memri.org/bin/latestnews.cgi?ID=SD38802

Here are just a few snips from the article, follow the link to read the whole thing.

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Part I: Why We Fight the U.S.
"...Perhaps the [Islamic] nation is waiting for one Al-Qa'ida man to come out and clear up the many questions that accompany any communiqué, message, or picture [concerning September 11], to know the truth, the motives, and the goals behind the conflict with the Hubal [one of the pre-Islamic Ka'ba idols - referring to the U.S.] of our generation..."


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The Entire Earth Must Be Subjected to Islam
"How can [he] possibly [accept humiliation and inferiority] when he knows that his nation was created to stand at the center of leadership, at the center of hegemony and rule, at the center of ability and sacrifice? How can [he] possibly [accept humiliation and inferiority] when he knows that the [divine] rule is that the entire earth must be subject to the religion of Allah – not to the East, not to the West - to no ideology and to no path except for the path of Allah?..."

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Part II: The Blow Against the U.S. Will Come from Where Least Expected
"...The [premises] on which we base ourselves as an organization, and on which we base our operations and our method of action, are practical and realistic... They are also scientific and [in accordance with] Islamic religious law, and they give us confidence and certainty... In writing them and in [publicly] revealing them, I do not intend to be apologetic for what was done; I lay [these arguments] before you so as to emphasize that we are continuing with our blows against the Americans and the Jews, and with attacking them, both people and installations [so as to stress] that what awaits the Americans will not, Allah willing, be less than what has already happened to them. America must prepare itself; it must go on maximum alert; ... because, Allah willing, the blow will come from where they least expect it..."

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Muslims Have Suffered from the U.S.'s Standing with Christians
"America's standing with the Christians of the world against the Muslims has stripped the camouflage from its face. Much can be said about this regarding the Sudan, the Philippines, Indonesia, Kashmir, Macedonia, Bosnia, and other tragedies. America's siege on the Islamic countries as punishment for their rebellion against its laws has transgressed all limits, and Muslims have suffered economic losses that outstrip the imagination."

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Part III: The Islamic Justification for Al-Qa'ida's Jihad Against the U.S.
"The religious arguments on which we base ourselves in our Jihad against the Americans - the explanations that inspire us with confidence in the triumph of our religion, our belief, and our faith - are many, and this is not the place to enumerate them, as they are included in the books of the sages."

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Islamic Law Allows Reciprocation against the U.S.
"If by religious law it is permitted to punish a Muslim [for the crime he committed] - it is all the more permitted to punish a Harbi infidel [i.e. he who belongs to Dar Al-Harb 'the domain of disbelief'] in the same way he treated the Muslim."

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We Have the Right to Kill 4 Million Americans
"We have not reached parity with them. We have the right to kill 4 million Americans - 2 million of them children - and to exile twice as many and wound and cripple hundreds of thousands. Furthermore, it is our right to fight them with chemical and biological weapons, so as to afflict them with the fatal maladies that have afflicted the Muslims because of the [Americans'] chemical and biological weapons."

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Muslims

There are to many muslim fundamentalists and they cause most of the trouble. The Saudis are 2 faced and extremists as well. I would like to beat the sh%#t out of all the extremists and terrorists one by one it would make me feel much better, at least liek I did my part.

 

[Marmaduke McPug]

Not all Muslims are bad people but it does seem that a disturbingly high number of them want to kill us and obliterate Israel.


Most Palestinians want to destroy Israel and deep in their hearts they want to drive all Israeli Jews into the sea

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story417.html

 

[Marmaduke McPug]

Group Claims Responsibility for Pakistan Car Bomb
Reuters | June 14, 2002

KARACHI, Pakistan (Reuters) - A previously unknown group calling itself "Al-Qanoon" (law) claimed responsibility on Friday for a car bomb blast near the U.S. consulate in the Pakistani port city of Karachi that killed 11 people.

"We accept the responsibility for the bomb blast near the American consulate today," a handwritten statement delivered to media offices in Karachi said.

"America, its allies and its slave Pakistani rulers should be prepared for more attacks. The bomb blast is the beginning of Al-Qanoon's jihadi activities in Pakistan," it said.

Syed Kamal Shah, police chief of Sindh province of which Karachi is the capital, said police had received a copy of the statement and were taking it seriously.

"For us this Al-Qanoon organization is unknown. But as professionals we have to take this fax seriously and we will investigate."




I wonder, does the previously unknown group calling itself "Al-Qanoon" (law) consist mainly of little old ladies with knitting needles, or angry "right-wing" white males?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[TurboS7]

Finally something worth talking about, I'll jump in when I have more time.....

 

[surplus1]

Second, don't make the error of confusing Catholicism with Christanity. It's a common mistake, but a big one. Catholicism began when Constantine had a vision, and he decided to meld together the practices and doctrine taught by the apostles and their followers with the then-prevalent practices of pagan idol worshipers and polytheists. For those who trust the Bible as God's word, Catholics are no more Christian than Jews are.

And that little tidbit is who's doctrine and according to what? Is that Protestantism, evangelism or what? Which of the more than 200 so-called protestant sects gave you this pearl of wisdom?

Tell me which "error" YOU have confused with Christianity? I'd like to know.

We walk on dangerous ground when we enter into debate over another man's choice of religion, particularly when those of a different regilion decide to tell him what he is or what he believes.

Would it be appropriate for me to tell you that evangelists and those of like mind are delusioned fruitcakes each living in his own little world of fiction and spewing venom against those with sufficient mentality to ignore his ravings, fables and stupidity? The modern day vendors of snake oil?

Let us defend our country against those that would attack us. When we discover who they are and where they are, let us take action to remove them before they have opportunity to remove us. Let us do so without regard or concern for their religious belief or their political motives or any combination thereof. Our porblem is to prevent their behavior.

Dwelling on their religious beliefs, what the book they read means or doesn't mean, how it compares with our religious myths and the books we read or don't read are irrelevant.

Stay away from the religious and focus on eradicating the threat from what ever source.

Religion and the pursuit of it is an invention of man. A conspiracy to usurp the domain of the Supreme Being and use it to exploit his fellow man. Recognize the existince of God, seek His council and guidance, follow it; but bundle up all the organized religions and place in file 13. That will remove the majority of the obstacles to understanding and unity with the Great Spirit.

 

[Snakum]

Boy ... the more I read here, the more I'm inclined to agree to banning all theistic religions. It seems the three which recognize the Old Testament are the worst offenders - Jews, Christians, Muslims - but the Hindus have their militants as well.

So guys ... it looks like you're all S-O-L ... it'll have to be Buddhism or nothing from now on! And I don't mean that silly "Buddha is a God" stuff the natives practice in the hamlets. I mean the logical, scientific variety as expoused in Sri Lanka and in most western Zen centers.

Rev. Thich Minh Thong
(Anyone need a quickie course on Buddhism?)

 

[Timebuilder]

Surplus-

I posted the info that you quoted to give some of these meanderings a foothold on fact. Putting the crusades and the inquisition at the feet of "Christianity" is a common mistake. People who call themselves "Christians", that is to say those who follow the Biblical teachings of Christ, were never a part of those activities. The birth of Catholicism wasn't so long ago that a good history text can't substantiate the info I gave. Most colleges that teach religion have texts available. It isn't a matter of doctrine to give a historical perspective.

Since I have never taught a religion course on the college level, I have to apologize if I have been unclear or incomplete. Here is the most basic guide: Christians believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, since the text gives account of Christ's authentication of scripture. It warns against false teaching (David Koresh, Beny Hinn, Mohammed, the Catechism, you name it). If it isn't a Bible teaching (no praying to statues, Christ's mother, dead apostles, no repetitive mantra-like phrases) it doesn't happen in a Bible church.

>>We walk on dangerous ground when we enter into debate over another man's choice of religion, particularly when those of a different regilion decide to tell him what he is or what he believes.

True. In America, we are free to choose or not choose. If a man chooses to call himself Christian, then that means he follows the teachings of Christ. To the best of my knowlege, there is only one source for that particular information. The truth of whether or not he is a Christian was decided before he was born. If he prays before a statue, the Bible, not any human, says he is not following Christ.

Since we are using up a lot of bandwidth as we deviate from our aviation topic, terrorism, I'll hope that this is a sufficient answer to you questions. Knowlege is power, and this is an area where most people don't have a lot of expertise, so I'm trying to provide a little illumination for the sake of this discussion. Just a few years ago, most of us had no clue about this "jihad", or that these extremists had identified America as the great satan. If these guys have made us their enemy, then it makes sense that we should have a grip on what makes them 'tick'.

Evangelists? If you mean those hucksters that you see on TV, I'm right there with you!!! Unfortunately, they fall into the false teacher category. Stay away from those fruitcakes. Yes, it is entirely appropriate that you say that.


>>Dwelling on their religious beliefs, what the book they read means or doesn't mean, how it compares with our religious myths and the books we read or don't read are irrelevant.

I disagree. We missed the whole September 11th fiasco because we didn't understand these guys. We didn't know that they believed that they themselves were expendable munitions in this "jihad" because of their religious teachings. For them this is MORE than just political, and we need to clearly understand that. The ONLY reason I have tried to explain the differences in beliefs is to explain the factual basics for those that think that clinic bombers, homosexual killers and the Spanish inquisition have anything at all to do with Christ or his teaching.

All of us need to be thankful, in whatever way we choose, that we have the freedoms we enjoy in America.

 

[Austpilot]

OK guys, looks like what I have posted here has got the juices flowing. I'm not religious, never have been, walked into a church probably four times in my life, as far as I'm concerned I take a realistic view these days and say that if you don't beleive in it, you have nothing to worry about - religion that is.

One thing for certain is, fanatacism of any type is scary - whether it be these muslim extremeists, religious fanatics, train spotters, plane spotters, AMWAY sales people, you name it.

From my observation however,there is a corner of the world where I feel it all starts, and I stand by the claim that the reason it starts in these countries is simply becuse the Americans have a bigger penis that the muslims - ie, your penis is bigger than my penis syndrome. The Bin ladens and Gadafi's,taliban and Al Qaeda really can't stand the fact that they are inferior to the rest of the world and are hiding behind their own pathetic religious beliefs as justification for their acts of terrorism. They are NOT a peacefull race,nor is it a peacefull religion. And before I get howled down in protestation by the do gooder types - that is my opinion,like it or lump it, I don't care, but don't sit on a forum like this and spout platitudes and excerpts from religious matter and defend or even attempt to justify the worst act of terrorism against ANYBODY.

And I also stand by my claim that if one of these loser,moron,half baked attempt of a human being absolute tosser with a tea towel on his head wanker comes and threatens the safety of my jet - well, the crash axe will be buried where the sun don't shine!! you don't piss off an Aussie!!!