Odd Technique on B-350 King Air

[jjosh122]

I always put the flaps up as soon as I turn off the runway. I fly single pilot. Maybe this is a bad habit, but I have never thought of it that way. The flap selector and gear handle are in completely different locations and take a different technique (the gear handle requires you to grab it, pull it out and then lift up, as the flap simply requires a finger or two to flip it up). Open to critique.

 

[brokeflyer]

you shouldnt touch anything until clear of the runway.

 

[fokkerjet]

Worked with a guy, who retracted flaps ASAP, so as to not give the indication of needing armed intervention.

 

[LJ45]

Worked with a guy, who retracted flaps ASAP, so as to not give the indication of needing armed intervention.

That is no longer a valid signal, so you can tell him to catch up with the times :laugh:

 

[fokkerjet]

:uzi:

 

[DC3Flyer]

That's funny!!!!!

Worked with a guy, who retracted flaps ASAP, so as to not give the indication of needing armed intervention.

Good stuff.....

 

[dhc8fo]

I know a guy like this but he flew a 200. IT DROVE ME INSANE. Mostly just the reverse part...out of the corner of my eye I would watch the passengers lurch forward and back. It was embarrassing. I took great pride in NOT doing it when I flew.

 

[dhc8fo]

you shouldnt touch anything until clear of the runway.

Completely agree. Anything less is just unprofessional.

 

[pilotyip]

standard procedure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fy6oTUC49A

Piedmont DC-3 landing on grass strip...flaps retract on landing roll out. Neat video.

Pulling the flaps up on touchdown in a DC-3 is pretty much standard practice. Overwise with a slight increase in AOA it will start flying again. With flaps down the C-47 will come off the ground at around 50 Kts with the tail down, Vmca is 76 Kts. BTW Maybe this guy started flying 3's?

 

[satpak77]

Pulling the flaps up on touchdown in a DC-3 is pretty much standard practice. Overwise with a slight increase in AOA it will start flying again. With flaps down the C-47 will come off the ground at around 50 Kts with the tail down, Vmca is 76 Kts. BTW Maybe this guy started flying 3's?

former airline guy. 727, 757 guy, laid off

 

[pilotyip]

unless

you shouldnt touch anything until clear of the runway.

unless it is a recommended and trained procedure, that does not involve a configuration changer.

 

[FirstMate]

Pulling the flaps up on touchdown in a DC-3 is pretty much standard practice. Overwise with a slight increase in AOA it will start flying again. With flaps down the C-47 will come off the ground at around 50 Kts with the tail down, Vmca is 76 Kts. BTW Maybe this guy started flying 3's?

Yep - makes sense.

 

[NCherches]

While I disagree with the practice... there are some operators that believe every landing should be 'Maximum Braking/Shortest Landing & Stoping Distance' .... I have heard there are some airline operators that disiplne pilots who do not make certain turn-offs at certain airports... Could have been some drunk airline guy making stuff up at the Embassy Happy Hour but its what he said.

I prefer not to wear planes out and not to scare my pax

 

[Bullitt]

Nothing more than ground fine is necessary for most normal landings in the B350 (and all the KA's I've flown)....I suppose flaps up landings or operations into extremely short runways would be a couple of exceptions. It just makes a lot of noise and kicks up dirt/fod....there just isn't much benefit to using reverse at the normal touchdown speeds of the airplane.

Raising the flaps on the landing roll is goofy.

I agree. I have lots of single pilot time in a 350 and ground fine works great for most landings.

 

[Nolife]

I contract in all manner of King Airs and have run into the flaps up upon touchdown quite a bit. I comment that it's not the best practice due to distraction, asym flap retract, and not needed but to no avail. People do what they want regardless of the facts. Same folks are probably still putting butter on burns and peeing on poison ivy.

Side note, I flew with a guy in a Caravan who approached at flaps 20 then at about 10 agl would pull flaps to 10; not smart but he claimed it made smoother landings. Some folks are weird.