Obnoxious Pax "Gilligan" Comment Card Turns Hawaiian Plane Around

[CA1900]

Nanny state!, Muslims!, LIBS!...................sigh.

Sounds like you're learning to speak Teabag. :laugh:

 

[MD11Drvr]

The Captain has to make the call behind a closed door and based on the info he gets from the cabin crew.


I'm sure none of us have flown with F/a's that could benefit from a pharmaceutical adjustment. Hellfire we've got a few that are as crazy as a run over dog and I would have a very hard time making a judgment call with their opinion involved.

 

[J.Otto]

giligan's island?

how bout somehting more modern... sounds more like the pilot episode of LOST!

 

[skybert]

All that for Gilligans island?? Now if it was say,the Munsters then he** yes,I'd bank that plane around sooo hard There would be vapor coing off the wingtips. But Gilligan?? Comeon.

 

[Dan Roman]

The Captain has to make the call behind a closed door and based on the info he gets from the cabin crew.


I'm sure none of us have flown with F/a's that could benefit from a pharmaceutical adjustment. Hellfire we've got a few that are as crazy as a run over dog and I would have a very hard time making a judgment call with their opinion involved.

Maybe, but try explaining why you continued a flight that the FA's emphatically warned the crew that they had a problem with a passenger and were concerned that he could jeopardize the safety of the passengers. Somehow I don't think saying ''sorry I continued the flight despite warnings from the cabin crew, I think FA's are bit nutty so I decided to continue on anyway" Now compound that if something does happen enroute like the passenger in question gets physical with someone and hurts them. Now you are liable for ignoring the warnings you got and probably in serious trouble with the FAA and the company.

Fortunately, we have some pretty high caliber Flight Attendants at Hawaiian and most are very professional and level headed. So it's highly likely if they are truly concerned, there is probably a real problem going on.

 

[Dan Roman]

It is getting very acceptable to turn the plane back for almost any reason now. There is an abundance of caution and great leeway given to the captain for taking decisive action today. I say hooray. Captain's authority respected with little second guessing. Need a lot more of this.

Right you are, this job is about having the ability to make unexpected tough calls sometimes regardless of what some monday morning QB's are going to come up with.

 

[Dan Roman]

All that for Gilligans island?? Now if it was say,the Munsters then he** yes,I'd bank that plane around sooo hard There would be vapor coing off the wingtips. But Gilligan?? Comeon.

OK, this is pure BS, Eddie Munster is no were near the threat Gilligan would be, especially if he had Ginger on his side!

 

[Dan Roman]

Didn't expect to see so much anti-Captain's Authority folks here.

The Captain wanted to turn HIS plane around, so he did. Don't worry, I'm sure he'll have to stand in front of someone's desk and justify his actions.

Nanny state!, Muslims!, LIBS!.................... Did you even notice that you were taking the evil, mainstream liberal elite, "Clinton News Network" as the sole source in your assailment of this Captain's Authority?

It is pretty amazing that so many pilots on here would listen to a single news story and think that is enough to second guess the crew that was actually dealing with the situation. (Although I blame FOX for the acceleration of the finger pointing mentality in this country!)

 

[timmay]

Very simple stuff once again! Lets target everyone.....and really target the ones that are not a threat!!

Limuss test for cabin crew.....

was he a Muslim check

turn the DAMN plane around. If not let's add some common sense to the situation....and talk to the pax run his name etc etc.....

Remember all muslims are not terrorists but ALL terrorists since 9/11 have been MUSLIM PC gonna kill more people.........but lets empty airports and turn plane around and escort planes that have drunk AMERICANS onboard but lets give terrorists AMERICANS rights and Priviliages!! idiots running the show!
FLAME SUIT READY!!!!!!come on LIBS!!!!!!

Please, for the love of God, do not use a word unless you know what it means. You sound like a moron, the word is LITMUS, a LITMUS test. See below

litmus test
n.1. A test for chemical acidity or basicity using litmus paper.
2. A test that uses a single indicator to prompt a decision: "

 

[boman]

Let's all just run around screaming with our hands waving over our heads.

This guy was a non-threat, just another weirdo non-conformist which is embraced by the American infatuation with individualism.

The terrorists are winning with every over-reaction and "appearance" of security over substance.

Just my opinion...

 

[727gm]

Weak!

 

[Superbird]

At least he preferred Mary-Anne to Ginger. Good Choice !!!

I dont think the F/A's had the authority to open a sealed Comment Card and may have a little time off themselves. It sounds as if they were a little overzealous. Sorry. The Captain made the best decision he could at the time, I just hope it wasnt influenced a F/A with a chip on her/his shoulder.

The note was pretty comical, but I dont see it as threatening. The guys going on vacation too, account for all of that.

 

[rigger]

Please, for the love of God, do not use a word unless you know what it means. You sound like a moron, the word is LITMUS, a LITMUS test. See below

litmus test
n.1. A test for chemical acidity or basicity using litmus paper.
2. A test that uses a single indicator to prompt a decision: "

AHHHHH yes I know I missed the TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Now to get back to the point that sailed over your head!!!!! Ever notice when a lib hates what you say they call you a name instead of dealing with the point?????

 

[Dan Roman]

At least he preferred Mary-Anne to Ginger. Good Choice !!!

I dont think the F/A's had the authority to open a sealed Comment Card and may have a little time off themselves. It sounds as if they were a little overzealous. Sorry. The Captain made the best decision he could at the time, I just hope it wasnt influenced a F/A with a chip on her/his shoulder.

The note was pretty comical, but I dont see it as threatening. The guys going on vacation too, account for all of that.

Actually, if the guy is acting erratically and hands the F/A a sealed comment card, you better believe he/she should open it and read it. Totally the correct thing to do.

 

[Dan Roman]

AHHHHH yes I know I missed the TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Now to get back to the point that sailed over your head!!!!! Ever notice when a lib hates what you say they call you a name instead of dealing with the point?????

You mean like Glenn Beck??

 

[MD11Drvr]

Maybe, but try explaining why you continued a flight that the FA's emphatically warned the crew that they had a problem with a passenger and were concerned that he could jeopardize the safety of the passengers. Somehow I don't think saying ''sorry I continued the flight despite warnings from the cabin crew, I think FA's are bit nutty so I decided to continue on anyway" Now compound that if something does happen enroute like the passenger in question gets physical with someone and hurts them. Now you are liable for ignoring the warnings you got and probably in serious trouble with the FAA and the company.

Fortunately, we have some pretty high caliber Flight Attendants at Hawaiian and most are very professional and level headed. So it's highly likely if they are truly concerned, there is probably a real problem going on.

Hey Dan don't miss the point of what I am saying about F/a's in general. I am glad you have a great group at HA, I wish we all did but there is always that 10% or in some cases 20 to 50% that are crazy as hell. I would also hate to try and explain why I turned around to the Chief Pilot on the word of an over reacting melodramatic F/a. I was simply stating it would be a tough call, but not judging the actions of this crew in this situation. Cheers and tail winds to you and yours!

MD11Drvr

 

[crxpilot]

Paging Dan Roman, paging Dan Roman, please meet the other lemmings over by the cliff..........

 

[Dan Roman]

Hey Dan don't miss the point of what I am saying about F/a's in general. I am glad you have a great group at HA, I wish we all did but there is always that 10% or in some cases 20 to 50% that are crazy as hell. I would also hate to try and explain why I turned around to the Chief Pilot on the word of an over reacting melodramatic F/a. I was simply stating it would be a tough call, but not judging the actions of this crew in this situation. Cheers and tail winds to you and yours!

MD11Drvr

I hear you and it's not easy making a point without sounding like you are disagreeing. We do have a few too. As a matter of fact, supporting what you are saying, I had a scenario were one of the FA's thought the pressurization system was faulty and said "numerous" people were feeling it in their ears. I didn't realize that "numerous" included some F/A's when I said perhaps they felt a pressure bump and that the symptoms they felt might be psychosomatic. Well..... I don't think I'm telling you anything you don't know when I say that telling a FA her headache might be influenced by those around her is NOT the thing to do. Anyway, I made a show out of having the mechanic come to the airplane and check it out and as a matter fact, she actually agreed with me the next day.
But you are right, it's a very complicated factor and one with no clearcut guidelines.

 

[Dan Roman]

Paging Dan Roman, paging Dan Roman, please meet the other lemmings over by the cliff..........

Actually, I would say the better use of the lemmings analogy would be someone reading one news article and think they know enough to judge the crews actions.
I guess my explanation of the additional considerations involved with over water flying went over your head but you should understand that a willingness to make a hard decision by a Captain is a very good trait in this business. I really don't understand why some people feel the need to criticize others so quickly rather than listen with an open mind. But thinking you have the whole story by reading one news article is foolish.

 

[say again]

Ygtbfsm!!!!!!