NYT: "Market for Corporate Jets Goes Into Free Fall"

[FLYLOW22]

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Originally Posted by FLYLOW22
B19 is just a lost little sheep with a bull horn.

The bull horn is what leads you each and every day flylow..

I don't follow you Boob. I am "led"? Care to elaborate?

What he doesn't realize is that as corporate flight departments wind down, fractional shares will spool up.

That isn't what RTS is stating.

Funny. That's not what I heard. Of course, I was there. You weren't. Guess that makes sense in your world.

Are those corporate heads going to fly with Rez and PCL over in major airline land? Heck no. Those guys can't even tuck in their shirts and wipe the lav down in their fight with each other and management.

The 121 world is what wrote the rules you live by whether you like it or not. Without 121, NJ doesn't exist in it's current form. I'd show those folks a little more respect while they zip you around from flight to flight so you can earn a living.

Respect is earned. Take you for example. I don't respect you at all. 121 was written after 91 and before 135. It had little bearing on 91K. What otehr rules are you referring to?

There is simply no time for passenger needs.

And why is that? Could it be that unions have gobbled up so much of the payroll pie that the airline can no longer afford to pay high wages to keep support staff?

Rez and PCL can answer that argument for you in the Majors section. They have all the answers to questions that really aren't relevant to us.

Back to reality...

Who will most of those business leaders choose to invest with? Will they invest for 5 years with a company that is currently laying off pilots and showing financial weakness or one that has maintained it's existing payroll and aircraft orders? Which company is better positioned to spring forward when the economy rebounds?

Without sales, fracs can't keep the business model solid. Who is going to buy those shares in the short term market place. RTS himself recently stated how far off the market was.

Sales will come back Nostrodamus. NetJets will be the best poised to make money when it does. What is your source on what RTS says BTW? Those bathroom stalls you hang out in looking for dates?

B19, it's okay. We don't expect you to follow... just get out of the way... cause you sure as heck are no leader.

Considering I had significant input into the rules package you current fly with, it is clear to me that you are the follower and I'm the leader. You really need to get out of the airplane and into management where the real work gets done.

Yes. Let's all go to management. I agree. It's top-heavy already in there but what's another 3,000 VPs.

You tool.

Significant input? HA!!

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[brokeflyer]

hey if the company came out and offered to pay me what my job shoud pay, paid my health care and let ME the CAPTAIN decide what is safe, I'd say fine, get rid of the union. I'd be the first in line to vote them out.

respond to that.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

hey if the company came out and offered to pay me what my job shoud pay, paid my health care and let ME the CAPTAIN decide what is safe, I'd say fine, get rid of the union. I'd be the first in line to vote them out.

respond to that.

The problem with that line of thinking is that Flops once had that situation. Unless you have it in writing, you have nothing

 

[brokeflyer]

The problem with that line of thinking is that Flops once had that situation. Unless you have it in writing, you have nothing

right....and thats why they get a union.

 

[fischman]

The problem with that line of thinking is that Flops once had that situation. Unless you have it in writing, you have nothing

Bingo.

 

[BeeDubya]

<<Not true, 1108 is still trying to dig into all the other fracs even though the pilots don't want it. They are lobbying all the time and proudly state that they want to have the entire industry.
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Not true. IBT 1108 has never approached any group. Each time a group has attempted a card drive with IBT 1108, the pilots of the group conducting the drive approached the 1108 Organizing Committee for assistance. The IBT (and 1108 specifically) have offered help to other groups wishing to organize, but have never approached those other pilot groups.

The vision of Strong Union (and later 1108) was for a fully-organized fractional industry, but it has always been stated that the motivation must be internal, so the Union has never gone "searching" for others to Unionize. It's a program of "attraction" not "recruitment."

 

[lawfly]

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[contrail67]

When a company is going through tough times....you can commercial the folks out cheaper...just how it goes.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Yeah. When that manufacturer's production line breaks down at the factory in East Dumpistan and is costing a $100 grand an hour to sit idle, I'm SURE it'll be cheaper to send the engineering team from HQ to the factory on an airline that takes three connections and two days.....