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"The goal of a merged airline is to make more money than the individual airlines could generate. However, that only occurs after the merger is completed. The initial stages of a merger are expensive. Airplanes have to be repainted, computer systems must be built or modified to suit the new company, maintenance plans harmonized… the list is long. Some of the basic financial numbers for the combined Delta/Northwest are expenses of a little over $30B and cash on hand of approximately $7B. As a general rule, airlines need as a minimum cash on hand of 15% of annual expenses. In this case, the total is about $4.5B. That means the corporation has about $2.5B to accomplish the necessary renovations required by a merger.

Our analysis indicated enough cash on hand to pay for the expenses required during a merger. However, our analysis didn’t allow for costs associated with labor strife or bad management decisions,. Both can be costly, and there isn’t a pad for either. The decision to exclude the NWA pilots is starting the process off in the wrong direction

We see a high risk for the corporation and its employees if the merger continues down its current path. This situation is reminiscent of what we experienced with Republic/Northwest or what we have witnessed at USAirways/America West. It also reminds us of the tactics used by Frank Lorenzo during the CAL/EAL years. Perhaps that should be expected considering the background of many of the executives at NWA and DAL who are alumni of the Lorenzo school of management at CAL.

Risk for the Northwest Pilots
In addition to the risks for the new corporation, there is risk for NWA pilots. We are being asked to accept vague promises of contractual improvements and resolution of a seniority list.

The new management team has promised to ‘use its best efforts’ to negotiate a new contract for NWA pilots. For a pilot group that earned a battle star fighting over reaching management tactics in the 1990’s, this is an empty promise, and management’s tactics reveal the lie behind the promise.

Courtesy of NWA management, we are faced with a new buzz word – ‘harmonization.’ This is another way of saying management isn’t offering NWA pilots pay parity for four years. There is nothing new here; this is effectively a re-run of Bob Crandall’s B-scale. This proposal is a serious roadblock to a new contract.

Granting the DAL pilots a contract raise that places them close to the gains negotiated in February has serious implications for NWA pilots. The DAL pilots will have little incentive to negotiate a combined contract. And, a combined contract is required before an integrated seniority list can be used. Further, if the DAL pilots don’t like an arbitrated seniority list, they can stall a contract negotiation until the end of 2012 with no economic penalty. USAirways v. America West has provided a good education on the effectiveness of this technique.

DAL’s LOA contains a no furlough clause. There is no restriction on furloughing NWA pilots. We would have to negotiate that provision as part of a new contract.
Finally, we have concerns over the DAL MEC’s sincerity about arbitrating a seniority list. The DAL MEC chairman, Lee Moak, flatly stated that the DAL MEC would not agree to an arbitrated seniority list. Now, after agreeing to contract improvements for DAL pilots, Moak has announced they will accept arbitration. Why the change in attitude? The answer may lie in the ALPA merger process. Under the process it can easily take two years to get an arbitrated decision. As we stated above, to integrate the pilots we must have both a combined contract and a seniority list. As the pilots at USAirways have demonstrated, it can take a long time to negotiate a combined contract. Especially if you don’t like the arbitrator’s seniority list award.

In short, we have no assurances of contract improvements or a quick settlement on a seniority list. Just the opposite, we see several obstacles to both and the possibility of prolonged negotiations to reach either. Simply put there is no incentive for the DAL MEC to negotiate in any serious manner for either a joint contract or seniority list since they have a contract in hand.

Management’s reluctance to negotiate was clearly demonstrated the day prior to the merger announcement. On Sunday, April 13 (during our Special MEC meeting), the DAL management team of Richard Anderson, Ed Bastian, and Mike Campbell meet with our MEC officers and Pat Brennaman (our attorney). Our team expressed a willingness to negotiate and noted that there was time to get the job done. Richard Anderson made it clear that doing so would be a disadvantage to the DAL pilots even thought they had already agreed to contract changes for the DAL pilots. They cited the faltering economy as reason for only being able to give the DAL pilots a raise at this point. DAL management concluded the meeting by stating that they would pursue a merger and deal with the NWA pilots after the fact.

The Decision to Oppose the Merger
It is tempting to ignore the risks in an effort to obtain what are rumored to be good pay raises. The MEC has weighed the issue and found the risks unacceptable. We are unified in that decision and will oppose the merger with all means available."
 
Once the merger is approved and we are still operated as separate companies, management can bleed NWA dry while they build up Delta. They got us by the short hairs on this one. We need to play ball and get synchronized with our brothers before we get really screwed.
 
...well, we do have a really big inflatable rat !

IMHO, the Bob and Tim show will be around for a while...
 
Oh sure, bad mouth me in the e-mail blast.

Regardless, whomever your "analyst" is, (s)he should be fired. Those numbers are laughable.

As time goes on and both airlines continue to operate in this $115/bbl. oil climate, it will become abundantly clear how woefully inadequate that cash on hand figure is. What a spectacular idea pissing away a couple of billion on integrating NWA into the Delta family.

Good luck getting DIP financing for your impending BK.
 
Don't worry once the merger is complete the real BOB will bring management to its knees just like last summer,,
 
Management’s reluctance to negotiate was clearly demonstrated the day prior to the merger announcement. On Sunday, April 13 (during our Special MEC meeting), the DAL management team of Richard Anderson, Ed Bastian, and Mike Campbell meet with our MEC officers and Pat Brennaman (our attorney). Our team expressed a willingness to negotiate and noted that there was time to get the job done. Richard Anderson made it clear that doing so would be a disadvantage to the DAL pilots even thought they had already agreed to contract changes for the DAL pilots. They cited the faltering economy as reason for only being able to give the DAL pilots a raise at this point. DAL management concluded the meeting by stating that they would pursue a merger and deal with the NWA pilots after the fact.

The Decision to Oppose the Merger
It is tempting to ignore the risks in an effort to obtain what are rumored to be good pay raises. The MEC has weighed the issue and found the risks unacceptable. We are unified in that decision and will oppose the merger with all means available."

Learn the REAL enemy to ALL pilots, right in the position that is SUPPOSED to assist employees, not work against them...H.R. This person came from FORD & HARRISON, EXPERTs at working against pilots by "befriending them". Unfortunately DL pilots were not aware of this.
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>> The new management team has promised to ‘use its best efforts’ to negotiate a new contract for NWA pilots. <<

As you guys already know, these guys will lie through their teeth to get the deal done. When Don Carty was testifying in front of CONGRESS he promised a "Fair and Equitable" integration of seniority lists with TWA/AA. He steps off the podium and says: "Oh, seniority? That's a union thing!"
 
"The goal of a merged airline is to make more money than the individual airlines could generate. However, that only occurs after the merger is completed. The initial stages of a merger are expensive. Airplanes have to be repainted, computer systems must be built or modified to suit the new company, maintenance plans harmonized… the list is long. Some of the basic financial numbers for the combined Delta/Northwest are expenses of a little over $30B and cash on hand of approximately $7B. As a general rule, airlines need as a minimum cash on hand of 15% of annual expenses. In this case, the total is about $4.5B. That means the corporation has about $2.5B to accomplish the necessary renovations required by a merger.

Our analysis indicated enough cash on hand to pay for the expenses required during a merger. However, our analysis didn’t allow for costs associated with labor strife or bad management decisions,. Both can be costly, and there isn’t a pad for either. The decision to exclude the NWA pilots is starting the process off in the wrong direction

We see a high risk for the corporation and its employees if the merger continues down its current path. This situation is reminiscent of what we experienced with Republic/Northwest or what we have witnessed at USAirways/America West. It also reminds us of the tactics used by Frank Lorenzo during the CAL/EAL years. Perhaps that should be expected considering the background of many of the executives at NWA and DAL who are alumni of the Lorenzo school of management at CAL.

Risk for the Northwest Pilots
In addition to the risks for the new corporation, there is risk for NWA pilots. We are being asked to accept vague promises of contractual improvements and resolution of a seniority list.

The new management team has promised to ‘use its best efforts’ to negotiate a new contract for NWA pilots. For a pilot group that earned a battle star fighting over reaching management tactics in the 1990’s, this is an empty promise, and management’s tactics reveal the lie behind the promise.

Courtesy of NWA management, we are faced with a new buzz word – ‘harmonization.’ This is another way of saying management isn’t offering NWA pilots pay parity for four years. There is nothing new here; this is effectively a re-run of Bob Crandall’s B-scale. This proposal is a serious roadblock to a new contract.

Granting the DAL pilots a contract raise that places them close to the gains negotiated in February has serious implications for NWA pilots. The DAL pilots will have little incentive to negotiate a combined contract. And, a combined contract is required before an integrated seniority list can be used. Further, if the DAL pilots don’t like an arbitrated seniority list, they can stall a contract negotiation until the end of 2012 with no economic penalty. USAirways v. America West has provided a good education on the effectiveness of this technique.

DAL’s LOA contains a no furlough clause. There is no restriction on furloughing NWA pilots. We would have to negotiate that provision as part of a new contract.
Finally, we have concerns over the DAL MEC’s sincerity about arbitrating a seniority list. The DAL MEC chairman, Lee Moak, flatly stated that the DAL MEC would not agree to an arbitrated seniority list. Now, after agreeing to contract improvements for DAL pilots, Moak has announced they will accept arbitration. Why the change in attitude? The answer may lie in the ALPA merger process. Under the process it can easily take two years to get an arbitrated decision. As we stated above, to integrate the pilots we must have both a combined contract and a seniority list. As the pilots at USAirways have demonstrated, it can take a long time to negotiate a combined contract. Especially if you don’t like the arbitrator’s seniority list award.

In short, we have no assurances of contract improvements or a quick settlement on a seniority list. Just the opposite, we see several obstacles to both and the possibility of prolonged negotiations to reach either. Simply put there is no incentive for the DAL MEC to negotiate in any serious manner for either a joint contract or seniority list since they have a contract in hand.

Management’s reluctance to negotiate was clearly demonstrated the day prior to the merger announcement. On Sunday, April 13 (during our Special MEC meeting), the DAL management team of Richard Anderson, Ed Bastian, and Mike Campbell meet with our MEC officers and Pat Brennaman (our attorney). Our team expressed a willingness to negotiate and noted that there was time to get the job done. Richard Anderson made it clear that doing so would be a disadvantage to the DAL pilots even thought they had already agreed to contract changes for the DAL pilots. They cited the faltering economy as reason for only being able to give the DAL pilots a raise at this point. DAL management concluded the meeting by stating that they would pursue a merger and deal with the NWA pilots after the fact.

The Decision to Oppose the Merger
It is tempting to ignore the risks in an effort to obtain what are rumored to be good pay raises. The MEC has weighed the issue and found the risks unacceptable. We are unified in that decision and will oppose the merger with all means available."


Is this deal different than what happened to Republic and the fences NWA built around them...just curious if there is some common ground. I know mergers are never easy but it seems like the Republic folks were not too happy about what happened to them for awile.
 
Is this deal different than what happened to Republic and the fences NWA built around them...just curious if there is some common ground. I know mergers are never easy but it seems like the Republic folks were not too happy about what happened to them for awile.

Yeah, this will make the NWA/RP merger look like a FDLS family outing... :eek:

The "brothers" at Delta are only too willing to 'PanAm yo' a$$'. TC
 
jetflier;1567227The DAL pilots will have little incentive to negotiate a combined contract. [COLOR=blue said:
Yet that is our highest priority at this time. There is a timeline to getting it done that affords us "all" peak leverage. Ignore that if you choose, but then we'll end up getting far less if anything at all.[/color]


Further, if the DAL pilots don’t like an arbitrated seniority list, they can stall a contract negotiation until the end of 2012 with no economic penalty.

Hello, is anyone home.

From the Delta MEC resolution AI 08-S09A passed on April 12, 2008:

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the Delta MEC welcomes the Northwest pilots as partners in the building of the new merged airline and looks forward to working with the Northwest MEC to bring about the rapid completion of a new joint agreement to take effect on the closing of the corporate transaction providing immediate parity in rates of pay and further providing for a rapid completion of a fair and equitable integrated seniority list to take effect on the effective date of the new joint agreement....

How about we get the joint contract done first, so nothing is held hostage?


USAirways v. America West has provided a good education on the effectiveness of this technique.

It's shown a good education on arbitration vs negotiations. Of course when you arbitrate you can always pass the buck, negotiation takes leadership. DALPA prefers negotiations, but you are a fool if #1 you choose arbitration first and #2 you think DALPA is afraid of arbitration.

Regardless, the priority ought to be to get to work on a joint contract NOW.

DAL’s LOA contains a no furlough clause. There is no restriction on furloughing NWA pilots.

Who's fault is that? DALPA didn't negotiate your no furlough language, or lack thereof. We didn't negotiate your contract. NWALPA did. Regardless, that just emphasizes the importance of getting a joint contract.

We would have to negotiate that provision as part of a new contract.

Yeah, the sooner the better.

Finally, we have concerns over the DAL MEC’s sincerity about arbitrating a seniority list. The DAL MEC chairman, Lee Moak, flatly stated that the DAL MEC would not agree to an arbitrated seniority list. Now, after agreeing to contract improvements for DAL pilots, Moak has announced they will accept arbitration.

No, DALPA still prefers a negotiated SLI. Absent a negotiated SLI, DALPA has no problem following the contractual ALPA merger policy which contains negotiation, mediation and as a last result arbitration.

The reality was, that there was no time to execute ALPA's merger policy, particularly before a merger announcement is made. The best course would have been a rapid negotiated SLI. After all, as Occam says, arbitration is for losers.

We can still have a negotiated SLI, but it's going to take leadership to commit to negotiations vs arbitration ( the losers choice).

Why the change in attitude?

No change. Different circumstances. Time ran out on dragging your feet. Like I said in mid March, prepare yourself to hear, "that was then, this is now."

The answer may lie in the ALPA merger process. Under the process it can easily take two years to get an arbitrated decision.

Great, we have two years to "negotiate". Negotiated results are always better.

As we stated above, to integrate the pilots we must have both a combined contract and a seniority list.

Indeed, let's get to work on the contract, the list has a path to completion, hopefully we can get a negotiated result in the interim in accordance with ALPA merger policy, a joint contract does not have that. If you choose to not accept the invitation to negotiations, then don't blame DALPA for the result.

As the pilots at USAirways have demonstrated, it can take a long time to negotiate a combined contract. Especially if you don’t like the arbitrator’s seniority list award.

Hmmm, more reason to get on with negotiating that joint contract first.

In short, we have no assurances of contract improvements or a quick settlement on a seniority list. Just the opposite, we see several obstacles to both and the possibility of prolonged negotiations to reach either.

The longer you wait to get into joint contract negotiations, the longer it will take to get the TA. SLI will work itself out, a joint contract may not.

Simply put there is no incentive for the DAL MEC to negotiate in any serious manner for either a joint contract or seniority list since they have a contract in hand.

We don't see it that way.

DAL management concluded the meeting by stating that they would pursue a merger and deal with the NWA pilots after the fact.

Well, did DALPA inform you of the new timeline to get it done?

What did the NWALPA Chairman do during the two weeks available to negotiate?

When did he finally respond?

Had time run out? Nevermind, he doesn't believe in timelines.

Regardless, DALPA wants to get to work on a joint contract ASAP. What's NWALPA's position on getting to work on a joint contract?

The Decision to Oppose the Merger
It is tempting to ignore the risks in an effort to obtain what are rumored to be good pay raises. The MEC has weighed the issue and found the risks unacceptable. We are unified in that decision and will oppose the merger with all means available."

Does NWALPA have a voting member on the NWA BODs? If so, how did he vote?
 
I wish I knew how to do the quotes. But a couple things. NWALPA says:
"This is reminiscent of NWA/Republic". Is that the one with all the fences and stuff for decades? Do you know that the NW negotiaters wanted lots of fences at the merged company but Moak said no. Day one of the integration all pilots would be Delta. No more segregation. Doesn't sound like NW/rep to me.

"Mgmt will not offer pay parity for 4 yrs". The contract and equity had already been agreed to during negotiations only the SLI remained. That means that day one of integration on the single certificate every pilot at NW would come to parity. The Delta pilots did a B scale back in '96 and got rid of it in '00. We would never have it happen again.

"No furlough clause". Again the day you come over as a delta pilot which takes legally some amount of time to get the single operating certificate, you are under that protection.

"The RA meeting" It contradicts everything that Moak has been saying about his vision for the integrated pilot group. Think about it. What incentive for the DAL pilots is there to have a lower paid group of guys at the same company. You're just asking for all your flying to be taken away. Doesn't make sense for us to do that.

DAL pilots are not the evil people we are being potrayed as.
 
DAL pilots are not the evil people we are being potrayed as.[/quote]

Potrayed???? Is that Southern or Riverdale, Georgian?

Remember, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!" And, let us be the judge of that.
 
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Once the merger is approved and we are still operated as separate companies, management can bleed NWA dry while they build up Delta. They got us by the short hairs on this one. We need to play ball and get synchronized with our brothers before we get really screwed.
Yup, that's the way it will unfold.

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe your MEC will ever agree to anything. Hubris will always trump common sense at NWA, and no one knows this better than Anderson.

Gov't officials will be placated with promises of hub stability until this deal is signed off on by the DOJ. Anderson should have no problem stating his case as the most dangerous part of the downturn in the airline business won't take place until the end of the third Q. By this time next year, the balance sheet for the new airline will begin to crack............and the refrain will be heard......"the economy is much worse than we thought, and we have no choice but to cut jobs and capacity in order to survive."

That will be the beginning, as NWA assets will be cherry picked, and the dead weight jettisoned. Hubris triumphs!.....But then Anderson knew that all along, didn't he?
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DAL pilots are not the evil people we are being potrayed as.
Oh yes you are, even if NWA pilots agreed to all of what Delta pilots want, Delta would still demand more not to lose the upper hand they have now.

The cat is out of the bag on this one. The game plan is to leverage the NWA pilots. Even if the NWA pilots agreed to be stapled to the bottom of the Delta list, it still wouldn't be enough. ALPA will not survive this merger much like the AAA/AWA one. This is management union busting at its finest hour.
 
Statesmanship

When ordered to knock out the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto said: "Yes, I can run wild in the Pacific for six months, but then what?" After the attack, it was too late to make a deal.

DALPA should beware the long-term consequences of "victory". Now is the time to demonstrate wisdom by offering NWALPA a face-saving compromise. Arbitration is always a crapshoot and will almost certainly result in an angry, divided pilot group. There will be future battles with management, and all the pilots need to be on the same team. As of now, it is not too late to make a deal.
 

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