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NWA, you have to be kidding

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Northwest took a $3.9 billion charge of its own related to its market value decline. Its loss came despite a 9 percent increase in sales, and Northwest, too, missed analysts' earnings expectations.
Excluding the accounting charge and losses from some fuel hedges, Northwest said it would have lost $191 million in the quarter. In a memo to Delta employees Wednesday, Ed Bastian, Delta's president and chief financial officer, said the airline expects some of its peers to record similar accounting adjustments. A spokeswoman said Delta would have recorded the charge regardless of the tie-up with Northwest.

How do you lose money hedging fuel, freaking idiots...good luck delta
 
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How the F do you lose on fuel hedges? I guess if someone could figure it out how to...Steenland could.
 
I think it is a conspiracy on the parts of DAL and NWA managements to (1) convince the feds that they are dying without each other and (2) reduce the combined company value ... so 3.5% and 4% just got reduced by more than a half in dollar value.

If they can do this why wouldn't they?
 
I think it is a conspiracy on the parts of DAL and NWA managements to (1) convince the feds that they are dying without each other and (2) reduce the combined company value ... so 3.5% and 4% just got reduced by more than a half in dollar value.

If they can do this why wouldn't they?

The 3.5% and 4% are given to the employees at the END of the transaction, which is in 10-12 months. The stock COULD BE $15 by that time. One time charges done now get them out of the way. You also have to remember that Steenland's extra compensation (the additional $3.5 million (on top of the $8.75 million) he gets if he stays through the transaction) is also based off of the stock price. Do you think he wants less money? He wants to take his money and run.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General,

Is his $3.5 million based on shares he already owns or shares he would be issued? If it's based on shares he would be issued, it doesn't matter what the stock price is. They will just issue more shares.

NW and DL employees just got screwed again. I wonder what other creative ways they will invent to screw you all over...
 
General,

Is his $3.5 million based on shares he already owns or shares he would be issued? If it's based on shares he would be issued, it doesn't matter what the stock price is. They will just issue more shares.

NW and DL employees just got screwed again. I wonder what other creative ways they will invent to screw you all over...

Well, then I GUESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN. Do you know the lottery numbers too? Again, the 3.5% for the Dalpa pilots is based off of stock at the end of the transaction. If you know the stock will be less, then I would call your broker. Will Steenland get more options? I really don't know, and neither do you. He probably will, and he will have a better retirement than most pilots, I am sure......


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Notta chance. That is more than double the current price and oil isn't going anywhere for at least a little while.

I hope I'm wrong.

Maybe it will be $10 a share? Who cares, it is a year out. I hope you are wrong too.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General,

You are missing my question. Is Steenland getting $3.5 million worth of stock no matter what the stock price is or is the $3.5 million based on his current holdings? I'm sorry you took my post offensively but in no way was it meant in a derogatory manner.



Well, then I GUESS YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN. Do you know the lottery numbers too? Again, the 3.5% for the Dalpa pilots is based off of stock at the end of the transaction. If you know the stock will be less, then I would call your broker. Will Steenland get more options? I really don't know, and neither do you. He probably will, and he will have a better retirement than most pilots, I am sure......


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General,

You are missing my question. Is Steenland getting $3.5 million worth of stock no matter what the stock price is or is the $3.5 million based on his current holdings? I'm sorry you took my post offensively but in no way was

Sorry if I was a little testy. Anyway, he is getting $3.5 million based on the stock price of the day he was awarded it, and it can go up or down. I am trying to find the article. Here it is:

AP
NWA ups payout for Steenland if he stays through Delta deal
Friday April 18, 7:52 pm ET
By Joshua Freed, AP Business Writer Northwest boosts CEO merger payout; aimed at keeping him through combination with Delta
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Northwest Airlines said it will boost the payout for Chief Executive Doug Steenland if he stays until the carrier finishes its combination with Delta Air Lines.
The new agreement also takes away a financial incentive for Steenland to leave in June.

Northwest added another $3.6 million to his payout if he leaves after the company changes hands, to a total of roughly $11.4 million, according to a regulatory filing on Friday. The new money is based on Friday's share price and will rise or fall with it.
Delta Air Lines Inc. and Northwest Airlines Corp. are looking to join to become the world's largest carrier, to be led by Delta Chief Executive Richard Anderson. They hope to close the deal by the end of this year. Steenland will leave but retain a board seat.

Under his old agreement, Steenland would have gotten roughly $7.8 million for leaving after a deal. However, he could have gotten the same $7.8 million by leaving in June -- giving him little financial incentive to stay until the combination is done. Steenland now gives up the payout for leaving in June. Instead, he gets $11.4 million or more if he stays and the merger is consummated, or $3.6 million -- vesting over four years -- if the merger falls apart, according a Securities and Exchange Commission filing.

In effect, Steenland is betting roughly $4 million that the combination with Delta will go through -- the difference between his forfeited payout to quit in June and what he'll get if there's no merger.
The $7.8 million figure is from a 2007 filing and has almost certainly risen since then. Company officials declined to update the figure on Friday, saying it would be part of Northwest's proxy, expected next week. That money is from a variety of sources such as cash severance, accelerated vesting of retirement benefits, and future medical benefits.
The new $3.6 million is based on 375,000 "restricted retention units," which are the right to receive money equal to the price of that many shares. On Friday, Northwest shares closed at $9.69. At that price, the units would be worth about $3.6 million. The units are capped at a share price of $22, which would be worth $8.2 million.
The deal with Delta calls for the new airline to be based in Atlanta, although the company has said it will keep some operations as well as a hub in Minnesota.
The airlines have said they expect to avoid front-line layoffs but that some administrative positions will be cut. That could turn workers at Northwest's Eagan headquarters into job hunters before the companies finish joining.
With that in mind, Northwest said it would set aside $25 million for incentive payments to at least some of its 3,800 salaried workers, to be paid once the merger is consummated, or if it falls apart. The company said none of the money would go to officers.
The filing also said the deal has a $165 million breakup fee, to be paid by whichever company walks away. Executives have said previously that the fee would not be triggered if the deal fails because it's blocked by antitrust regulators.
The two airlines also filed a copy of the merger agreement on Friday. It said Delta added pilot Kenneth C. Rogers as a board member. Delta's contract with pilots allows them to have one nonvoting director.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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This is strictly creative accounting so Anderson and Steenland can cry poormouth to the Feds. "If you don't let us merge, we'll both close the doors. Look at our losses..." This is a standard part of the playbook to make the deal seem inevitable and blunt any resistance at DOT, DOJ or on Capitol Hill, Of course, they can also cry poormouth to BOTH pilot groups and lock in a CRAP unified contract. Then, once the deal is closed, things magically turn around, stock for the merged carrier goes up, dirtbag executives cash in, followed shortly thereafter by another stock price crash. Enjoy!
 
Notta chance. That is more than double the current price and oil isn't going anywhere for at least a little while.

I hope I'm wrong.
People said the same thing about USAirways after it exited bankruptcy.

I wish I had purchased shares. It went from $7 to $15 in one week and then, a month later, it was at $57. Then it dropped to $35 the next week, then $10 each week thereafter until it reached where it's been hovering the last several months.

That all, by the way, was WELL before the AWA merger announcement.

Airline stock is a funny thing - you never know what it's going to do.
 
This is strictly creative accounting so Anderson and Steenland can cry poormouth to the Feds. "If you don't let us merge, we'll both close the doors. Look at our losses..." This is a standard part of the playbook to make the deal seem inevitable and blunt any resistance at DOT, DOJ or on Capitol Hill, Of course, they can also cry poormouth to BOTH pilot groups and lock in a CRAP unified contract. Then, once the deal is closed, things magically turn around, stock for the merged carrier goes up, dirtbag executives cash in, followed shortly thereafter by another stock price crash. Enjoy!


You are right on!!! It is all PR now.
 

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