NWA to buy Mesaba. Whats mainlines thoughts.

[xjhawk]

Just want to know what is the thought from mainline about this. Whats the unions take on it. Just want to know where my future might take me being at mesaba.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I think it's a good deal for MSA pilots. I think it could be a good deal for NWA pilots too.

Management is probably too smart to let us merge the lists, but I think it would put the pilot groups in a good position to get some mutually-beneficial language in our contracts.

 

[flap operator]

It never helped Express I to be wholly owned (contract wise) why would it help XJ? I remain intently skeptical about this.

FO

 

[Vne]

One word comes to mind......Compas

 

[Diesel-9]

And why is Pinnacle stock up 70% this morning??? ($10 > $17 in early morning activity)

 

[TAWS]

Somebody is insider trading methinks!

Bad JUJU!!

 

[Draginass]

So they can gut the NW ALPA contract even farther. This management team is out to completely destroy unions on the property.

 

[amcnd]

Look at Eagle or comair, no future!!!

 

[TAWS]

I see you looking YPF! You dirty bird!!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I see you looking YPF! You dirty bird!!

Hey this year NWA is sending out $500 checks to everyone. Beats last years taco bell coupons.

I have always stated the regionals should become part of the mainline. This is an opportunity to do that, although the union will mess it up.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Hey this year NWA is sending out $500 checks to everyone. Beats last years taco bell coupons.

Mine'll be about $2,000. Naturally, I'll turn it down because I'm supposed to be too angry to accept extra money from NWA...

I have always stated the regionals should become part of the mainline.

And it hasn't happened yet? I find that hard to believe that the industry could possibly be that resistant to anything you have stated should happen! How could it be so?

This is an opportunity to do that, although the union will mess it up.

Ahh!..the "union"! That explains it. Despite your valiant effort to bring a change about, the "union" has failed to execute your carefully developed plan. Those twerps!

(sigh)

 

[xjhawk]

What is the NW unions stance on this. Our former ALPA leader once said that all redtails should be together. Will NWA MEC block it trying to "save" their jobs? I have run into more of those who are cool at NWA while commuting...but like any group of pilots or anyone....there are a few A$$h0les in the bunch, i just hope they are not on the MEC. But, given our mec, they are all stand up guys and gals, i hope yours is the same way. Oh, and lately, i must say to the main line guys and gals, thanks for all the help in my commuting....seriously...its been great lately dealing with you guys, and you dealing with me !!! getting home is a wonderful thing.....

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Mine'll be about $2,000. Naturally, I'll turn it down because I'm supposed to be too angry to accept extra money from NWA...



And it hasn't happened yet? I find that hard to believe that the industry could possibly be that resistant to anything you have stated should happen! How could it be so?



Ahh!..the "union"! That explains it. Despite your valiant effort to bring a change about, the "union" has failed to execute your carefully developed plan. Those twerps!

(sigh)

Mainlinne pilots have taken huge paycuts due to the shift in productivity of the regionals. NWA was paying 14 cents a mile to go to into airports that were replaced by two rjs operating at 16-20 cents a mile. Guess where that separation in pay came from.....Tickets didn't go up. The union never figures in how productivity is going to impact the pilot group in the long run, that is why it has done so poorly in this mess.

 

[Occam's Razor]

What is the NW unions stance on this.

Don't know. I haven't seen or heard any comment on it from the NWA MEC. I saw The MSA MEC's comments in the paper...but nothing from NWA.

Our former ALPA leader once said that all redtails should be together. Will NWA MEC block it trying to "save" their jobs?

What do you mean by "be together"? Do you mean one list? A flow-thru? Same uniform? I've heard a few varied definitions of "Brand Scope" during a period when it was important that I understand it thoroughly. Yet I don't know that I ever did. Sometimes the defintion got a little obtuse.

The MEC will act to Protect and Enhance the Careers of NWA pilots. That's their mission statement. The objective, and often the best way to achieve it, are difficult to clarify sometimes.

I personally don't think the purchase of MSA by NWAC is a threat to NWA pilots. I think it would be a good idea to just merge the lists and blend the operation, even though I can see liabilities along with the potential benefits of such a deal.

I have run into more of those who are cool at NWA while commuting...but like any group of pilots or anyone....there are a few A$$h0les in the bunch, i just hope they are not on the MEC.

There are a couple. It's not like you can spray for them...

But, given our mec, they are all stand up guys and gals, i hope yours is the same way. Oh, and lately, i must say to the main line guys and gals, thanks for all the help in my commuting....seriously...its been great lately dealing with you guys, and you dealing with me !!! getting home is a wonderful thing.....

I glad it's been working out!

 

[Occam's Razor]

Mainlinne pilots have taken huge paycuts due to the shift in productivity of the regionals. NWA was paying 14 cents a mile to go to into airports that were replaced by two rjs operating at 16-20 cents a mile. Guess where that separation in pay came from.....Tickets didn't go up. The union never figures in how productivity is going to impact the pilot group in the long run, that is why it has done so poorly in this mess.

Not worth it. Call your rep.

Merry Christmas!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Mine'll be about $2,000. Naturally, I'll turn it down because I'm supposed to be too angry to accept extra money from NWA...

Silly, you don't make $150K.

 

[~~~^~~~]

And I thought NWA pilots fell on their swords to keep their concessions from buying more of those pesky RJ's. Now what? What about Compass?

I could live well on 1/2 of 1% of the money NWA Management spends chasing nefarious schemes to screw the productive members of their Company.

ALPA should make it clear that this involves one list. Time to stop double dealing at every turn from management and ALPA.

 

[NuGuy]

I personally don't think the purchase of MSA by NWAC is a threat to NWA pilots. I think it would be a good idea to just merge the lists and blend the operation, even though I can see liabilities along with the potential benefits of such a deal.

Whoa, Occam, stop! That's twice in as many weeks that we have agreed on something. The planets must be in some kind of goofy alignment...hold on, let me go check my biorhythm.

Anyway, Occam is right. If this goes off, we need to merge the lists this time around and stop the whipsaw once and for all.

Nu

 

[NuGuy]

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[xjlifer]

The problem as I see it is the folks who decide what plane go's where are the best at what they do....divide and conquer. So for our respective MEC's to demand one list seems impossible.

 

[filejw]

All the MEC's have to do is petition for single carrier status, then go to ALPA for the merger policy and there you have it one list.

 

[PCL_128]

Anyway, Occam is right. If this goes off, we need to merge the lists this time around and stop the whipsaw once and for all.

Simply merging the XJ and NWA seniority lists won't end the whipsaw by a long shot. To end the whipsaw once and for all, you'd have to merge the NWA, XJ, 9E, and Comp-ass lists and change the scope to 0-seats. Don't hold your breath.

 

[amt]

My guess is that NWA is going to assign all CRJ-700 to XJ.
Those guys deserve it, considering what they've been going thru since they filed for bankcrupcy.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Silly, you don't make $150K.

I rounded the payout based on the range on the web site.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Simply merging the XJ and NWA seniority lists won't end the whipsaw by a long shot. To end the whipsaw once and for all, you'd have to merge the NWA, XJ, 9E, and Comp-ass lists and change the scope to 0-seats. Don't hold your breath.

Caution! Old saw ahead!

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.

It won't solve all the problems, but it's the right thing to do, at the right time.

 

[Quack]

You know it's funny how these airlines come up with the money they do. Look at UAir, pilots give up millions, and then they turn around and use it to pursue Delta without merging their own sh!t...wtf and merry christmas

 

[YourPilotFriend]

In reality, all mesaba pilots will receive is a metered flow up to a lower paying job. They will give you a choice to leave the mesaba list to go fly the E195 if you are on the E175. you will make $19,000 at mainline. That's less than saab FO, but that's the reality of the situation.

 

[TAWS]

In reality, all mesaba pilots will receive is a metered flow up to a lower paying job. They will give you a choice to leave the mesaba list to go fly the E195 if you are on the E175. you will make $19,000 at mainline. That's less than saab FO, but that's the reality of the situation.

But at least it's shiney!!!!

And, it has 2 FAs, so you can listen to twice the bullsh!t !!!

 

[xjhawk]

I hav seen the pay scales for compass, i think its better....than what i am making now. Seriously....and do not give me that crap about mainline not making squat....i do not make squat now, and one year of probation and low pay to be at a major......i think its better.....than flying a saab for squat.

 

[PCL_128]

Caution! Old saw ahead!

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.

It won't solve all the problems, but it's the right thing to do, at the right time.

No argument there. I just think everyone needs to realize that this one act wouldn't stop the whipsaw. It's a long process that requires all of us to act in coordination. I hope we can accomplish it.