NWA TA ratified

[mavdog]

...they don't even want you in their jumpseat

So you were the captain on my last commute. The first time I've run into that, so you must be alone in that opinion.

...or maybe I should be hoping you never become Captain. Well, maybe now you will, AT COMPASS!

 

[XJohXJ]

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[gutshotdraw]

This household voted NO....it took a few extra minutes because we couldn't find F*** NO on the ballot. As of this morning, NWA has been instructed to no longer deduct ALPA dues from the paycheck. Make the wimpy ba*****s come get the money. We will not be a part of the race to the bottom.

Counting the days til the better half retires from this great career turned crappy job....

 

[81Horse]

This household voted NO.... As of this morning, NWA has been instructed to no longer deduct ALPA dues from the paycheck. ... We will not be a part of the race to the bottom.

Counting the days til the better half retires from this great career turned crappy job....

Your household and mine are on parallel tracks.

 

[D'Angelo]

This household voted NO....it took a few extra minutes because we couldn't find F*** NO on the ballot. As of this morning, NWA has been instructed to no longer deduct ALPA dues from the paycheck. Make the wimpy ba*****s come get the money. We will not be a part of the race to the bottom.

Counting the days til the better half retires from this great career turned crappy job....

Sir or ma'am whoever I am addressing QUIT YOUR WHINING!!! The majority has spoken plain and simple. What part of democracy don't you understand. The majority has spoken period, end of sentance. If you dont like it then QUIT!! You can have your opinion but you certainly have no right to chastise people for how they vote.

 

[pilotyip]

Again Capt Mark you were lucky, today a age of 25, 3000 whatevers would not even get you an interview at FedEdx. I know military guys in the 5000-10000 hours range, all jet who can not get interviews. BTW you hijacked this thread with your almighty talking down to the pilots who elected to save their jobs. May you never have to face what most of the pilots in this country have had to face in their careers

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Don't blame mainline pilots for saving their jobs, the airline had to cut costs to that of SWA, and that's exactly what they did. When the next low cost airline comes in we will cut our pay to their level. Welcome to the era of deregulation, eventually we will be making nothing.!

No, it is not deregulation...it is called captialism and a free market system. It has been this way since the begining...... The continuous cylce of destryoing the old to build the new, so prevelant is our cutlure and system, is working quite fine. And yet we all embrace it....

Deregulation........? Maybe....

Perhaps we can re-regulate...somewhat.....on a local level....


ALPA-PAC and CAPA-PAC

 

[CaptainMark]

Again Capt Mark you were lucky, today a age of 25, 3000 whatevers would not even get you an interview at FedEdx. I know military guys in the 5000-10000 hours range, all jet who can not get interviews. BTW you hijacked this thread with your almighty talking down to the pilots who elected to save their jobs. May you never have to face what most of the pilots in this country have had to face in their careers

hey grandpa...look at my original post..i did not bash the pilots..i said informational picketing is a joke ..it was a stab at the unions for getting the pilots fired up and then caving...those military guys elected to go the military route..their choice..i went the civilian route for obvious reasons...people at that time made fun of the fact that i wanted to fly freight..they wanted to blow up stuff or wear a hat and play with flight attendants...did i touch a nerve? were u one of those hi time military guys who could never get an interview?...sorry..time for your pill...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This household voted NO....it took a few extra minutes because we couldn't find F*** NO on the ballot. As of this morning, NWA has been instructed to no longer deduct ALPA dues from the paycheck. Make the wimpy ba*****s come get the money. We will not be a part of the race to the bottom.

Counting the days til the better half retires from this great career turned crappy job....

Huh?

Do you stop paying taxes and renounce your US citizenship when the presidential election results don't go your way? Down with democracy you say!!

Why not grow some real stones and quit NWA, if you really don't want to be a part of the race to bottom. Not paying dues is like banging your head against a faucet. It will only get you a hole in your head and terminated. A declaration that you will not pay dues is purly showmanship. Things are not going your way, so you have to feel like you are doing something to remain some level of control. It is futile.

Or you can do your best under the circumstances so when you pass the batton to the next guy he'll have some type of career to salvage instead of a total piece of junk...... there is some level of intergirty in that..instead of being a quitter....


The goal here guys is to be around when the industry comes back.. Only then can we improve. You can fall on your swords and renounce it all, but you are going to need the airline industry again.... for employment or at a min. personal/biz travel. Quit now and Wang or Juan will fly you to your next vacation in China or Mexico....

 

[TinGoose1]

If you don't like a product, you don't buy it. If you think staying in a union that is selling crap is perseverence, your ignorant. Unity is a unions only strength. Considering each airline continues to undercut one another, ALPA has nothing to provide. Our union has failed to unify it's members and by default has lost it's appeal. Following a leader because you lack alternatives if ignorant. Those that choose not to give their money to a lost cause are the ones with real direction. You following ALPA blindly only reinforces the fact that this union has no future.

-TG

 

[hawk996]

If ALPA was a smart business, They would have 60,000 plus pilots all fighting for the samething. As you can tell, they have divided us up into small little groups and we get defeated by management at every battle we enter! Alpa is only in this for our money and that's it. Worthless should only make what the highest paid Captain makes not a penny more, If that Captain takes a pay cut then old Worthless should too.

The only thing good that I got out of ALPA in my 12 years was the ALPA air medical department, well run and informative. As for the rest of the Union, well let's just say that it was a waste.

We need to fight for one pay scale per aircraft type like the elec/plumbers uinon. If you want to buy a 777 then here is the pay scale. If management can't make it work then don't buy the plane. The only difference between one airline contract to another should be work rules and benifets as they will always be different at each airline.

One payscale per aircraft nation wide, then we wouldn't have this problem with the race to the bottom. For those of you who don't think this will work, call the elec/plumbers uinon their members seem to be making money and have plenty of work.

HAWK

 

[kiteflyer]

Worthless's pay

Will Worthless's Pay be cut now that NWA's pay has been halved?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

If ALPA was a smart business, They would have 60,000 plus pilots all fighting for the samething. As you can tell, they have divided us up into small little groups and we get defeated by management at every battle we enter! Alpa is only in this for our money and that's it. Worthless should only make what the highest paid Captain makes not a penny more, If that Captain takes a pay cut then old Worthless should too.

The only thing good that I got out of ALPA in my 12 years was the ALPA air medical department, well run and informative. As for the rest of the Union, well let's just say that it was a waste.

We need to fight for one pay scale per aircraft type like the elec/plumbers uinon. If you want to buy a 777 then here is the pay scale. If management can't make it work then don't buy the plane. The only difference between one airline contract to another should be work rules and benifets as they will always be different at each airline.

One payscale per aircraft nation wide, then we wouldn't have this problem with the race to the bottom. For those of you who don't think this will work, call the elec/plumbers uinon their members seem to be making money and have plenty of work.

HAWK

One payscale doesn't work in this business, pay works on how much money your company is making and how much of it you can negotiate. However, if you work for a regional your pay is based on 10% lower than the local mcdonalds.

 

[XJohXJ]

Not only is ALPA NOT united between airlines, they aren't even united within airlines anymore. What a great career!

 

[XJohXJ]

Or you can do your best under the circumstances so when you pass the batton to the next guy he'll have some type of career to salvage instead of a total piece of junk...... there is some level of intergirty in that..instead of being a quitter....

Too late. The piece of junk won and is now total.

 

[castle bravo]

How do you propose to obtain this information from a secret ballot?





Here's the voting results by base with numbers rounded off to the nearest whole percent:

MSP: 72/28
DTW: 52/48
SEA: 86/14
ANC: 79/21
MEM: 57/43



Occam is correct in his statement that the TA passed in each base, even in DTW.

 

[castle bravo]

Maybe so, but they were right. You guys are going to regret the day that you passed this TA. I've got $500 that says the pension is terminated within a year. Any takers?

If it even takes that long. Way to go red book, great job as usual.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Will Worthless's Pay be cut now that NWA's pay has been halved?

Yes. His pay is indexed to the 3 highest paid ALPA captains. Last year it was FDX, DAL, and NWA.

Won't stop the whining though...

 

[Occam's Razor]

As of this morning, NWA has been instructed to no longer deduct ALPA dues from the paycheck. Make the wimpy ba*****s come get the money. We will not be a part of the race to the bottom.

Excellent!

You'll still pay the same amount, and now run the risk of slipping behind and not being able to vote on the next ballot.

That means MY vote will count more.

Darwin was right!

 

[KaptainKarl]

airline is losing money and we can still negotiate, your airline is making money hand over fist and you guys can't negotiate. Don't blame mainline pilots for saving their jobs, the airline had to cut costs to that of SWA, and that's exactly what they did. When the next low cost airline comes in we will cut our pay to their level. Welcome to the era of deregulation, eventually we will be making nothing. As far as I see this contract is a victory, since it holds onto the past a little longer.

We have an career where thousands of people will do our job for below mcdonalds wages. Low ball airlines can start up and force prices down and then disappear leaving damage that takes decades to repair. The industry is dominated by oil and the market. We have technology that removes human function from the pilots, you name it. This is a dying profession and pilots are literally working overtime to drive it there. Why? because that's just the way it is. Everbody does it in every career there is, some professionals have taken steps to stop it. Pilots have not done a dang thing to control this profession in any way shape or form, half of the pilot group out there shouldn't even be there.

For god sakes look at Mesaba, that company was making profits before bankruptcy, during bankruptcy, and will make money after bankruptcy. It's not going anywhere but up for them and you guys are negotiating concessions. Then you have the audacity to say the mainline people threw you under the bus. It's hard to throw you guys under the bus when you laid down in the middle of the road. Start realizing that you will get nothing from mainline pilots, they don't even want you in their jumpseat. Wake up guys!

Don't always agree with you, but this time you are dead on. Well said. I'm not paying my dues either...... I quit. Fu(k 'em.

 

[Going2Baja]

To all you Commuter pu$$ies, stop your cryin' NWA is headed the direction it should given the circumstances - we have gotten back our regional flying under OUR house! If this means lower pay for a bit - then so be it! At least WE have the aircraft and the pilot numbers. If you go back in history you will see many hard times with furloughs. As with the economy - times will turn and the $$ will return. But the good news now is that we have the regional flying under our own union control with flow through rights. Speaking of flow through - why don't all you cryin' commuter pukes get you resumes shined up and come on over. The pay can't be much worse and at least you'll have a shot at the big iron down the road. For you "older" commuter guys - what can I say? You've waited this long so you must be happy doing what you're doing right?

Baja OUT…..

 

[81Horse]

Occam is correct in his statement that the TA passed in each base, even in DTW.

Yep -- I saw the numbers, too. By presidential standards, it's a landslide -- a mandate!

Wonder how McClain plans to spend all his capital?

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Dear legacy airline CEO's of the USA,

Your plan has worked. You have succeeded in dividing the pilot groups. They actually blame eachother for their problems and not YOU. Even though YOU take millions from their pockets, they continue to believe your lies and blame the new guy on the block, their regional affiliates, and any other propaganda you feed them. These boards are proof that they enjoy bashing eacother. They actually think they know what's best for their counterparts too. As long as YOU keep the paint schemes in different colors with different logos, they will continue to buy into your master plan........"Divide and Conquer."

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Wow.... pilots still ignorant how a unions work... and now the vote didn't go their way and they are quitting.... Bonifide members of the Quitters Klub....

Translation: I've been giving my 1.95% of my dues for years (1k's of $$$) and I still haven't taken the time to read the user manual. I am just as ignorant of how ALPA works since the day Daddy cut my cord.

Let's recap....

• It is ALPA's vault my airline management sucks?
• It is ALPA faults oil is $70/barrel?
• It is ALPA's fault the industry is in the Perfect Storm?
• It is ALPA's fault I don't know what the he!l I am doing when it comes to ALPA organizational sturcture, policy and operations?
• Is it ALPA's fault there are too many seats to be sold?

But I really don't care to read the users manual (which makes you no different than an illiterate) so what am I going to do? QUIT! That is right. I am going to pack up my marbles and go home... pouting with my lower lip pushed out... just like the neighborhood toddlers.....crying to mommy.


It is not that ALPA isn't functioning as advertised... it is the fact that you don't understand how the system works....

Let's re-cap some more.......again!

• National Pay scales.... Don't work!
• National Seniority List.... Don't work!
• National Strikes and 24h SOS...Don't work!
• The free market system and capitalism that we all love so much that gives us the lowest price.....is working just fine!

It doesn't matter how the electricians, plumbers, truck drivers, dishwashers and any other hourly worker (except railroad) function. Why? They do not operate under the Railway Labor Act. (RLA).

If you want to be ignorant and mad... then be mad at the RLA. Not the unions that are forced to function within its confines.


Vote didn't go your way and now you are crying like school girls... quitting cause it is too difficult for you....

Go watch the Lifetime Channel.

The next time I run into a ALPA pilot with a 10, 15, 20 or 25 year pin and he starts spewing amatuer hour rhetoric about how ALPA is screwing them, I am going to hand him a tube of vagisil for his mangina and a pacifier. The ignorance and attitude is shocking.

It obvious why we are getting our tails handed to us.... we are D-U-M-B .............. DUMB!







Finally, I didn't have a vote in this TA. It is what it is.... All I see is a bunch of quitters....


Rant over! You may now return to your regularly scheduled programming on the Lifetime Channel

 

[D'Angelo]

It doesn't matter how the electricians, plumbers, truck drivers, dishwashers and any other hourly worker (except railroad) function. Why? They do not operate under the Railway Labor Act. (RLA).

If you want to be ignorant and mad... then be mad at the RLA. Not the unions that are forced to function within its confines.

Actually the RLA is way too liberal as it is. It still allows strikes. Time to get washington rolling on a new bill to eliminate strikes and bring in arbitration. This actually forces people to meet in the middle like they should. If they pilots proposal is too shoot for the moonish they will get struck down. If managements proposal is too low ball they get struck down. Time to find middle ground again.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Don't always agree with you, but this time you are dead on. Well said. I'm not paying my dues either...... I quit. Fu(k 'em.

You'll still pay the Service Fee (exactly the same as dues), but won't get to vote.

That works for me!

ALPA saves money on mailing, meeting rooms, and balloting costs.

Even better...if you blow off paying the Service Fee, "Agency Shop" kicks in and you are terminated. If you're senior to me (oh please! oh please!), then it's a clear Win-Win-Win!

You "showed them!" (sniff)
Another whiner gone
I move up a number

 

[CaptainMark]

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[canyonblue]

Don't blame mainline pilots for saving their jobs, the airline had to cut costs to that of SWA, and that's exactly what they did.

Why? For the life of me I cannot figure out why every airline has to feel the need to cut their cost down to that of Southwest. Even more, it can't be done by a Legacy carrier. The nature of our company with one fleet type, and 25 minute turns enables Southwest to have a cost advantage over a Legacy carrier. We are basic transportation, nothing more. No First Class cabins, No World Clubs, No Hot Shot VIP boarding status, NOTHING. If Northwest insists that it needs to be around Southwest's costs, then they need to eliminate much of the premiums they give out and get down to basic air transportation. And let Steenland know that Gary Kelly earned, in 2005, only $405,000 in salary, not much in this industry for a CEO that can turn out a profit.

 

[CaptainMark]

Actually the RLA is way too liberal as it is. It still allows strikes. Time to get washington rolling on a new bill to eliminate strikes and bring in arbitration. This actually forces people to meet in the middle like they should. If they pilots proposal is too shoot for the moonish they will get struck down. If managements proposal is too low ball they get struck down. Time to find middle ground again.

such an idiot! striking is the only thing that pilots can use as leverage...companies can go to the courts and have pensions terminated and contracts thrown out...as we have seen..imagine if we could not strike..i would probably be making a wage similar to you....yikes..that would suck...fagangelo please go back and get some education..for all our sakes!

 

[KaptainKarl]

You'll still pay the Service Fee (exactly the same as dues), but won't get to vote.

No you stupid moron. I quit the airlines for good. Have fun going through this chariade every 4 years. You can only beat a dog so many times before he leaves. This will not end in the next decade. I prefer for my kids to know who I am. Adios.