NWA TA ratified

[hawk996]

Are pilots like the French???? We talk all big and bad, then drop to our knee's and cry! How low are we going to go. When is ALPA going to reduce the percent they take from our pay checks? I say we reduce the payout to ALPA and make them earn their keep!!!!

Delta your up next!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dizel8]

Didn't Duane make some grand remark about how he wasn't going to sign another concessionary contract, if so, wonder what he is going to do now.

And please Duane, take a paycut like your brothers at NWA have!

 

[D'Angelo]

This is not a dark day but a beautiful beginning in a new chapter. The NWA pilots can hold their heads up high and proud. Democracy truly works. The company presented a TA, they were allowed to vote and it passed. Simple as that. No whining people. Unless you want to revert back to a communist regime where its your way or the highway.

 

[CRJDog]

Every ALPA carrier's pilots both regional and major should just walk from their jobs until someone listens!!!!

 

[ASApuppy]

D'Angelo = ASA Management

 

[CaptainMark]

This coming from a gentleman who admits he has multiple houses that he owns. Its kind of hard to say this profession is in trouble with a straight face when you can still afford vacation homes down in florida. People like me are actually saving the industry. If everyone was all HOOAH and wanting to go strike for nothing like a tard there would be a lot more people on the street.

That's right!! some invest wisely...and i am paid to operate a 375,000 lb jet around the globe...like i said u will never know what it is like to be paid a real wage for the job u do..so continue to enjoy your weak wage and let management run u into the ground for 40 bucks an hour, be dead before 60 with no retirement to give your 10 kids..sounds like a trouble free profession to me..moron!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

That's right!! some invest wisely...and i am paid to operate a 375,000 lb jet around the globe...like i said u will never know what it is like to be paid a real wage for the job u do..so continue to enjoy your weak wage and let management run u into the ground for 40 bucks an hour, be dead before 60 with no retirement to give your 10 kids..sounds like a trouble free profession to me..moron!

There are 2 kinds of pilots, those who have taken their paycuts and those waiting to take paycuts.

 

[mynameisjim]

I wouldn't be surprised if you start seeing NWA training replacement workers for the IAM.

I think they may already be doing that. They were holding an employment event at the Mall of America for ground workers. I can't imagine they are hiring union employees while laying off in DTW.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Maybe you should run for rep if your so "in touch" with the "group".

Hey! There's an idea!

What kind of rep should I be?

The babbling kind that claims to know what pilots want...yet seems to always be on the short stack when the votes are counted? That kind?

Or should I be the kind that stands up to the minority screamers and delivers an agreement that, as distasteful as it is, is ratified by 2 out of 3 pilots?

 

[pilotyip]

Disregard Capt Mark is out of touch with the rest of the world. He is lucky enough to get hired by FedEx at age 25 and he thinks it has something to do with his skill and desire.

 

[General Lee]

Are pilots like the French???? We talk all big and bad, then drop to our knee's and cry! How low are we going to go. When is ALPA going to reduce the percent they take from our pay checks? I say we reduce the payout to ALPA and make them earn their keep!!!!

Delta your up next!!!!!!!!!!!

Our TA is a lot better than NW's, by a mile. Whether or not it will pass is another story, but we did stand up and overall got a lot better TA. The NW pilots even got a chance to see ours and compare, and then vote. As far as being in BK, our DL TA is not bad at all, except for the scope issues, and even they are slightly restrictive. I am voting NO due to the fact that they have not addressed our current furloughed pilots needs.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dbrownie]

Hey! There's an idea!

What kind of rep should I be?

The babbling kind that claims to know what pilots want...yet seems to always be on the short stack when the votes are counted? That kind?

Or should I be the kind that stands up to the minority screamers and delivers an agreement that, as distasteful as it is, is ratified by 2 out of 3 pilots?

You could be the kind of rep that tries to make things better instead of looking out for good old number one.

Or you could be the kindof rep that stands up to the company instead of being a mouthpiece for stealand.

But hey you still got your left seat and your pension (for now) so #uck the dc-9 guys and screw the junior pukes.


You must be so proud that you "won".


Good job! Pat yourself on the back!

Free drinks at the ALPA bar in MSP
tonight...

A toast to the sell out....and those who sold out.

Dave B

 

[CaptainMark]

Disregard Capt Mark is out of touch with the rest of the world. He is lucky enough to get hired by FedEx at age 25 and he thinks it has something to do with his skill and desire.

yeah..i'm out of touch! This from an old man who should realize the industry is a mess...one who never made it to the majors and enjoys salaries coming down..retirements being destroyed...and pilots being abused...it makes his lack of success look better in his old eyes...and i guess all pilots are lucky that got hired at Fedex..no skill or determination involved..just walked in and started ground school...you are so clueless! go change your diaper!

 

[Capi_Cafre']

I fell off the Partnership track at Ford & Harrison years ago.....

......so trolling on Flight Info is one way I keep my billables up.

 

[800Dog]

Disregard Capt Mark is out of touch with the rest of the world. He is lucky enough to get hired by FedEx at age 25 and he thinks it has something to do with his skill and desire.

I think Capt Marks hiring by Fedex has more to do with determination, education, hard work and networking rather than luck. It seems as though you are out of touch with those traits and what it takes in order to be hired by Fedex. If it makes you feel better about yourself to say others were just lucky, knock yourself out.

 

[pilotyip]

Capt Mark touch a nerve did I? Maybe Capt Mark is right and I am wrong does any one else think Capt Mark was lucky to get hired at FedEx at age 25 three years out of ERAU?

 

[CaptainMark]

I think Capt Marks hiring by Fedex has more to do with determination, education, hard work and networking rather than luck. It seems as though you are out of touch with those traits and what it takes in order to be hired by Fedex. If it makes you feel better about yourself to say others were just lucky, knock yourself out.

thanks 800..enough about me and pilotyip...he has always been out of touch...i just hope for all our sakes this crap turns around..fdx makes record profits on our backs and they want to give us a piddly little raise...oh well..glad fagangelo and pilotyip are not on our seniority list...

 

[CaptainMark]

Capt Mark touch a nerve did I? Maybe Capt Mark is right and I am wrong does any one else think Capt Mark was lucky to get hired at FedEx at age 25 three years out of ERAU?

no nerve touched here...you forgot to mention the 3000 jet and 2000 PIC jet that came with the luck...it's 5 o'clock you better get to denny's...anyway this is about nwa...pilotyip hijacked the thread

 

[Bringupthebird]

How do you go from 92% strike vote to 63% passing a giveaway T/A?

The word is: cowardice.

Those 8% that wanted to stay no matter what sure were an influential bunch. Congratulations Occam.

 

[SWA/FO]

Capt. Mark,

You went to the "Harvard of the Skies"? What year?

 

[Deacon]

The Whipsaw continues......:smash:

More like the race to the bottom..........talked to a couple of DAL pilots in CDG this week they say NO

however what they say and do is another thing

 

[hawk996]

Hey General Lee,

You guys at Delta shouldn't even have a TA. Delta would still lose money even if the pilot's flew for FREE!!!! So why give anything up? Let ALPA prove in a court of law that Delta management is trying to squeeze labor for their inability to run an airline thats why you pay them.

You place blame on everyone else for lowering the bar, but you should be blaming ALPA. After all you are paying Worthless's salary and you are getting nothing in return but lower wages.....Why he is walking to the boat yard picking out the color of his new HULL.

The only person to blame is the person you see in the mirror on vote day...

Hawk

 

[PCL_128]

Your reps are out-of-touch with you!

Not a rant.

A fact.

Maybe so, but they were right. You guys are going to regret the day that you passed this TA. I've got $500 that says the pension is terminated within a year. Any takers?

 

[mnalpha]

wow,
i cant believe it?!?!? old men gave up money, so they can hold a job for 4 more years. thanks guys, it really helps us all out. you know what screw all you mainline guys. you should be leading the fight, but instead you are the ones screwing us all. fine job, fine job!!!

 

[TinGoose1]

Funny thing is, the NWA TA creates a feeder that is under it's current feeder contracts. Way to race the commuter guys to the bottom. You guys are the absolute whores of the industry. All you have done is delay the termination of your pensions. Within the year, your pensions will be terminated and your DC-9 pilots will be flying for sub-standard regional wages. Congratulations on the TA.

-TG

 

[AA717driver]

wow,
i cant believe it?!?!? old men gave up money, so they can hold a job for 4 more years. thanks guys, it really helps us all out. you know what screw all you mainline guys. you should be leading the fight, but instead you are the ones screwing us all. fine job, fine job!!!

Maybe when you are within 4 years of retirement and have the choice to keep it or go out the door making $2800/mo. you'll have a different attitude. Maybe not.

When I was 30 and the 55 year olds told me "you've got time to make it up." I thought "Bull$h!t!". But you know, they were right.

Guarantee, mn, that when you're 55, you'll vote to keep your pension AND raise the age to 65 without a second's hesitation. TC (47 and not depending on ALPA or an extension to age 65 to put food on my table after retirement)

P.S.--With over 60% voting for, it wasn't all done by the "old guys".

 

[Diesel-9]

NRR TG1. But may I ask, why you think the pensions will be dropped? Management will loose theirs most likely, they will loose a ton of stock to the PBGC, A D.C. will cost more to fund than the pension when legislation is passed. and they have pushed for it more than everyone else combined, mostly for the reasons stated and their share of the stock. With the political capital NWA has spent I doubt they would change directions when they will be asking for more from Capital Hill during the next couple years during mergers and acquisitions.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

wow,
i cant believe it?!?!? old men gave up money, so they can hold a job for 4 more years. thanks guys, it really helps us all out. you know what screw all you mainline guys. you should be leading the fight, but instead you are the ones screwing us all. fine job, fine job!!!

Our airline is losing money and we can still negotiate, your airline is making money hand over fist and you guys can't negotiate. Don't blame mainline pilots for saving their jobs, the airline had to cut costs to that of SWA, and that's exactly what they did. When the next low cost airline comes in we will cut our pay to their level. Welcome to the era of deregulation, eventually we will be making nothing. As far as I see this contract is a victory, since it holds onto the past a little longer.

We have an career where thousands of people will do our job for below mcdonalds wages. Low ball airlines can start up and force prices down and then disappear leaving damage that takes decades to repair. The industry is dominated by oil and the market. We have technology that removes human function from the pilots, you name it. This is a dying profession and pilots are literally working overtime to drive it there. Why? because that's just the way it is. Everbody does it in every career there is, some professionals have taken steps to stop it. Pilots have not done a damn thing to control this profession in any way shape or form, half of the pilot group out there shouldn't even be there.

For god sakes look at Mesaba, that company was making profits before bankruptcy, during bankruptcy, and will make money after bankruptcy. It's not going anywhere but up for them and you guys are negotiating concessions. Then you have the audacity to say the mainline people threw you under the bus. It's hard to throw you guys under the bus when you laid down in the middle of the road. Start realizing that you will get nothing from mainline pilots, they don't even want you in their jumpseat. Wake up guys!

 

[Reebo]

People like me are actually saving the industry.

The joke of the day!

 

[regionaltard]

I've got $500

PFT rebates. Who knew?