Nwa Ta Appears To Be Online

[starvingredtail]

The Restructuring Agreement TA is now available on the pilots web
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[PCL_128]

Care to post the synposis?

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

Also interested!

 

[gkrangers]

Yep...would love to see the main points.

 

[NuGuy]

There wasn't even the courtesy of a reach around...

Nu

 

[Going2Baja]

Recall extended to 14 years.
Pass Travel extended for a year from date of TA.
25% Pay reduction across the board.

And a whole lot of other stuff that I have no idea what it means. I guess we'll wait and see.

Baja.

 

[redflyer65]

14 year recall? Wow!

 

[ptarmigan]

Is that 25% pay reduction off the current paycut or from where it was before?

 

[Reddie]

What are the details on Scope?

 

[JTrain]

Is that 25% pay reduction off the current paycut or from where it was before?

<Fingers crossed> I hope it is from the original, but I would think so as well since the original were temporary in nature. It is a sad day for this profession.I don't know what the answer is, it is just unfortunate to see the steady backwards march in pay/working conditions/benefits of this profession.

jt

 

[Occam's Razor]

The current pay rates continue. No further cuts.
RJ's unlimited below 76 seats.
DH now 50% pay...100% credit.
Caps up to 88 hours (with 4 months of 2-hours flex allowed)
Vacation accruals reduced; Value set at 2:48/day.
4-year duration
A series of 1.5% and 2.0% raises built in.
Air Force pilots required to wax DC-9 fleet on days off.
DC Plan set at 5% thru next year, then ratchets-up over time to 8%.
100% pay for 1st and 2nd sick call (with note); 75% after that.
Some non-captain instructors allowed; non-seniority seat-support allowed.
Captain augmentation gone...but phased-in to avoid displacements.
5-hour average day.
Blockholder gurantee 68-hours.
14-year recall rights.
Successor/Fragmentation follows ALPA model.
Instructor and International overrides are gone.
Reserve days off reduced by 1 day (11/12 vice 12/13).

 

[ForgedBlade]

And now that another TA passes in this industry, management will get even bigger bonuses...

 

[Diesel-9]

Pay rates stay at the -23.9% rates that were negotiated during last year temporary agreement. 3 x 1.5% and a 2 % raise from 2007 thru 2011. Profit sharing increased, and a performance bonus that isn't much. Monthly max increased from 81-88 hrs. Trip rig reduced a little and 4:15 min day changed tp 5 hr average day. Navy/Marine Fighter pilots to mow Air Force Fighter Pilots yard while wife isn't home. More details to be out soon.

 

[SWA/FO]

Navy/Marine Fighter pilots to mow Air Force Fighter Pilots yard while wife isn't home. More details to be out soon

Then to help Wife with her lawn when she comes home. :beer:

 

[DTW320]

The current pay rates continue. No further cuts.
RJ's unlimited below 76 seats.
DH now 50% pay...100% credit.
Caps up to 88 hours (with 4 months of 2-hours flex allowed)
Vacation accruals reduced; Value set at 2:48/day.
4-year duration
A series of 1.5% and 2.0% raises built in.
Air Force pilots required to wax DC-9 fleet on days off.
DC Plan set at 5% thru next year, then ratchets-up over time to 8%.
100% pay for 1st and 2nd sick call (with note); 75% after that.
Some non-captain instructors allowed; non-seniority seat-support allowed.
Captain augmentation gone...but phased-in to avoid displacements.
5-hour average day.
Blockholder gurantee 68-hours.
14-year recall rights.
Successor/Fragmentation follows ALPA model.
Instructor and International overrides are gone.
Reserve days off reduced by 1 day (11/12 vice 12/13).

Very slight correction: International Override is not gone but is reduced by the same % as payrates. Also got some equity, but the summary of that made no sense to me:

• Claims-based approach.
• ALPA claim of $888M
• Based on total claims pool of 5.1-5.6B
• Approximates 13.4% of claims before any dilution
• Permit assignment/transfer of right to claims between confirmation date and effective date of the POR consistent with any order governing the trading of claims

Big Correction: Regarding RJ's, the "unlimited below 76 seats" comment above is actually from the wrong side of the summary we got. That is what the company was proposing under "Alternative A". The summary we got says we "matched" on "Alternative B" which references a handout we have not yet recieved. Insert joke here. So us line swine don't know the details of the small jet deal yet.

 

[Going2Baja]

Please explain how the pay is. Under Alt B it states "Across-the-board decrease of 23.9%" Why wouldn't this be taken? All the other changes are applied.

Baja.

 

[Going2Baja]

Big Correction: Regarding RJ's, the "unlimited below 76 seats" comment above is actually from the wrong side of the summary we got. That is what the company was proposing under "Alternative A". The summary we got says we "matched" on "Alternative B" which references a handout we have not yet recieved. Insert joke here. So us line swine don't know the details of the small jet deal yet.

Thanks for the understanding - I read the thing twice and couldn't figure out how the RJ mess played out.

Hopefully in 14 years we won't be hoping for more time.

Baja.

 

[DTW320]

Please explain how the pay is. Under Alt B it states "Across-the-board decrease of 23.9%" Why wouldn't this be taken? All the other changes are applied.

Baja.

Yeah, its confusing to say the least....But regarding that section I think it means that NWA's Alternative B was an across the board 28.4% cut and the TA on that is for across the board 23.9% cut....the same as the interim deal from December...so pay rates stay the same as they have been for the past couple months.

 

[i fly boxes]

is option b this SJET thing, and what exactly is it? I have heard everything from its basicallly Newco, to a flow through with the regional guys, with 600 NWA furloughs being recalled.

 

[Andy]

Hopefully in 14 years we won't be hoping for more time.

Baja.

I wondered the same when UAL increased recall rights to 10 years. It looks like we should hit the bottom of our recall list before the most junior guy sees 6 years on the streets.
Once you guys at Northwest get through this tough period, things will turn around. It's not bottom yet for the red tails, but it's getting closer.
Good luck to everyone at Northwest. Let's hope that our Delta brethren also have a TA soon.

 

[81Horse]

Thanks for the understanding - I read the thing twice and couldn't figure out how the RJ mess played out.

I've read it repeatedly -- WTF, over? All I can figure is they're all so impaired from sleep deprivation that they couldn't put together a coherent summary.

No downtown or downtown-like layovers -- I understood that part.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

is option b this SJET thing, and what exactly is it? I have heard everything from its basicallly Newco, to a flow through with the regional guys, with 600 NWA furloughs being recalled.

The language is such that Sjet could be anything, Mini-NewCo, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Mesa, etc. The company will decide what they can make the most moeny off of and then go with that. Mini-NewCo is not off the table, and neither is XJ/9E whomever to get the flying. They certainly won't announce what they are doing until XJ/9E have their "issues" worked out.

 

[General Lee]

I wondered the same when UAL increased recall rights to 10 years. It looks like we should hit the bottom of our recall list before the most junior guy sees 6 years on the streets.
Once you guys at Northwest get through this tough period, things will turn around. It's not bottom yet for the red tails, but it's getting closer.
Good luck to everyone at Northwest. Let's hope that our Delta brethren also have a TA soon.

It will be interesting to watch ours play out as well. We don't have the exact same needs as NW, like pension issues. NW never had the lump sum option, so all of their senior guys wanted their pension as a highlight. Most of our senior guys left already, with only 250 guys over 55 years old still on the property. I would think that would mean scope is higher on the totem pole. We all know our pensions are gone, since they have stopped paying on them for a while now. So, as far as I can see, Scope will be our major issue. We shall see of course.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[festus]

Air Force pilots required to wax DC-9 fleet on days off.

I think just cleaning the underside and below the engines will do.

 

[SWA/FO]

Sell all DC-9s on ebay.

 

[DTW320]

Sell all DC-9s on ebay.

Great Idea! Anyone remember the 727 hulls (Not nwa ones) that were being sold on ebay a few years ago? They would set it up for you on a base as a mobile home style arrangement. Showed some pics of an old lady living in one and another one set-up as a diner. Only in America!

Too bad current NWA DC9 pilots would not be able to afford one...

 

[320AV8R]

RE:

The current pay rates continue. No further cuts.
Good, I’m finally getting used to Mac & Cheese 5 days a week



RJ's unlimited below 76 seats.
Nothing in this realm would surprise me.

DH now 50% pay...100% credit.
So eastbound 330 trips will have 1 CA & 1 F/O flying, with 1 F/O DHing in the back for ½ pay.

Caps up to 88 hours (with 4 months of 2-hours flex allowed)
We’re already there.

Vacation accruals reduced; Value set at 2:48/day.
Why even bother with it, if it’s worth 2:48 a day ?


A series of 1.5% and 2.0% raises built in.
Ha ha ha…. Like our 3% raise that we had to GO TO COURT OVER to get.


DC Plan set at 5% thru next year, then ratchets-up over time to 8%.
Until mgmt finds a loophole to avoid paying it.


Profit sharing and Performance pay
Hee hee hee…. we could outperform the entire industry & we ain’t gonna see Jack for whatever “performance” pay is. And profit sharing……. that’s a good one…… oooops, I almost wet myself ! Gary Wilson would buy baggage carts, tugs, etc from BMW before he paid out one red (tail) cent in P/S.

320AV8R

 

[DTW320]

Agree about the profit sharing and "performance bonus" nonsense. After the past debacles of stock-options and supposed profit sharing I can't understand why the negotiators spent one second on this. NWA must value these at something, no matter how small, so why wouldn't we immediately say "forget that crap and convert the "value" you give them into better payrates,vacation value, sick leave......anything other than this garbage that will NEVER be seen.

Waiting on the details of the SJ flying........

 

[sonny320]

Sell all DC-9s on ebay.

Since FEMA still can't get trailers down to Louisiana/Mississippi...DC-9 fuselage's will make a great home!!

 

[Occam's Razor]

Very slight correction: International Override is not gone but is reduced by the same % as payrates. Also got some equity, but the summary of that made no sense to me:

Whoops! My bad! I tried to save bandwidth and put both on the same line.

You are correct.

Big Correction: Regarding RJ's, the "unlimited below 76 seats" comment above is actually from the wrong side of the summary we got. That is what the company was proposing under "Alternative A". The summary we got says we "matched" on "Alternative B" which references a handout we have not yet recieved. Insert joke here. So us line swine don't know the details of the small jet deal yet.

My understanding is that any jet NWA pays for will be flown by a NWA seniority-list pilot. In the case of under 77-seats, I think it means NWA furloughed pilots get to fly them. Over 76-seats is on the mainline. (By my understanding...I mean: the rumor I heard)