NWA status???

[PurpleTail]

Sorry, this post is a little self serving BUT what is the status of the possible NWA strike and negotiations?

Will it/could it really happen anytime soon? I have a ticket booked this Sunday/Monday for an international trip and was wondering if I should book with someone else and use NWA as my backup?

Thanks for the update and best of luck.

 

[DTW320]

Latest MEC Hotline as of 1515 EST:

NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE (3/02/06)
The MEC Negotiating Committee continues to meet with NWA management
in New York. The Negotiations recessed at 1:00 a.m. and resumed
again at 8:00 a.m. this morning. There is nothing substantive to
report at this time. Negotiations remain intense and we will
communicate any new developments as soon as possible.

At 6:00 p.m. EST yesterday, ALPA and Northwest management attorneys
participated in a status conference call with Judge Allan Gropper.
Judge Gropper did not issue a ruling. ALPA does not know when
Judge Gropper will issue a decision. The extension of the 30 day
period for the Judge to issue a decision expired yesterday. Under
the law Northwest technically could implement its proposal pending
decision by the Judge, but ALPA does not expect the company to do
so absent advance notice.

 

[Draginass]

Stenland has the NW pilots by the short hairs and both sides know it. ALPA will fold just like they did at US Air. Strike talk is just so much cheap bravado, and Stenland knows that.

 

[PurpleTail]

...bump

 

[BigBlock]

bump............bump.

 

[320AV8R]

Stenland has the NW pilots by the short hairs and both sides know it.

How do you figure that ?

ALPA will fold just like they did at US Air. Strike talk is just so much cheap bravado, and Stenland knows that.

Although both carriers are represented by ALPA...... NWA ALPA is independent of, & quite different from USAir ALPA.

If mgmt has such an advantage & doesn't think we'll strike, why are they still negotiating ?

If mgmt has such an upper hand..... why haven't they imposed new work rules on ALPA ? (Legally, they can, since the 1113C deadine has passed).

Steenland is a first class a-hole, but he's not stupid. There is no doubt in my mind that we will walk if a POS contract is imposed on us. Steenland was here in 1998, & he probably thinks so too. He has a host of creditors breathing down his back that have already taken a haircut in this process, & want to recoup as many pennies on the dollar as possible.

320AV8R

 

[81Horse]

Purple, here's a link to a pretty good howgozit article from today's Detroit paper. There's a sidebar update on pension legislation, too.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060303/BUSINESS05/603030379/1018

 

[SEVEN]

In Steenlands mind, he's already won. He's used the bankruptcy process to free up millions in debt, the pilots have already taken 39% paycuts and he's replaced the mechanics. There is no doubt Steenland will back down if ALPA stands firm. NWA management just wants to see if they can get a few more bucks out of the pilots. They have already given up close to 50% percent of their pay, why not try and get more. Steenland has already gotten what he needed from the pilots to reorganize Northwest. Hopefully ALPA will finally stand firm. But the truth is, the Union has already lost the fight. The pilots paychecks tell the truth.

 

[320AV8R]

......the truth is, the Union has already lost the fight. The pilots paychecks tell the truth.

7-

You are correct. NWA ALPA has failed miserably....... we should have held out for a pay raise !!!!

Maybe they were distracted with the fact that:

--a majority of the US airline industry is experiencing the worst financial period since the beginning of aviation

--NWA is losing 3+ million dollars a day; & prior to the recent pay cuts we were among the highest paid in the industry

--fuel costs have increased over 50%, (not to mention the CRAC spread.... which has been further adversely influenced by diesel & natural gas), making fuel prices the highest they've ever been

--overcapacity has prevented any increase whatsoever in RASM..... fares are the same as they were over a decade ago, in real dollars

--NWA (& 30% of the industry) is in CH 11

--the new draconian wages were established previously at numerous carriers....& have become the new "standard"

--the current Administration is more anti-labor than any in recent memory

--the current NW mgmt is the vilest group of a-holes in the industry

I'm sure there are 4 or 5 more points I could make.... but I've gotta go e-mail my Reps. I'll tell them what f*ck-ups they are....... and that in this environment, we should be getting raises, stock options, 100% 401K matching, etc...

Thanks for the heads up.

320AV8R

 

[tubelcane]

Of course, it's all George Bush's fault. That explains everything. Wasn't American Airlines one of his biggest campaign contributors?

 

[BigBlock]

--overcapacity has prevented any increase whatsoever in RASM..... fares are the same as they were over a decade ago, in real dollars


320AV8R[/quote]

Fares, in relation to "real dollars" are actually less today than the were a decade ago....f*cking ridiculous.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I think the bankruptcy laws need changing after this case. Seriously, the 1113(c) process is a fucking joke.

 

[Ty Webb]

I think that there needs to be a mechanism to charge CEO's, Officers and Directors with malpractice, just the same as if they were lawyers, doctors, accountants, or any other professional. This practice of rewarding these boobs for incompetence has got to come to an end. When Leo Mullin was forced out, he should have left Delta with bus fare home, not with $14 million as a reward for burning through $6 billion. Stephen Wolfe should have been sued by UsAirways shareholders to recover the $35 million, or whatever he got, and so on, and so on . .

Secondly, when a company such as UAL gores bankrupt and their stock becomes worthless, when they emerge from bankruptcy, the new shares issued should go to those who were left holding worthless shares when they entered bankruptcy, not to an IPO and to reward management!

Where is the outrage? Let me guess, looking for the closest parking spot to the door at Walmart and watching "Dancing with the Stars".


:angryfire

 

[NuGuy]

Fares, in relation to "real dollars" are actually less today than the were a decade ago....f*cking ridiculous.

Personally, I think this has been a great disservice to the American family.

In the past, people of lesser means would have to drive to their destinations, often over a period of days. 3 days in a car was great opportunity for family bonding.

This reduction in road travel has led, sadly, to the demise of some classic roadside attractions, like Gatorland and the "Worlds Largest Mud House", great Americana that we will only see now on the History Channel.

Now people just pack up their clothes in their garbage bags, troup on the airplane, put on their iPods and tune each other out...sad...

Nu

 

[wmudriver]

Was the judge supposed to make a decision or meet with both parties today at noon? if so...what happened?

 

[Occam's Razor]

I think they'll get a T.A. today. It didn't sound like they were too far apart.

The judge can chill them for a day or so, but after that it gets messy. Nobody wants messy.

My prediction = Deal today.

 

[320AV8R]

Of course, it's all George Bush's fault. That explains everything.

Tubelcane-

I'm sorry to see that you're one of the ALL or NOTHING crowd. That is not what I said, I did not imply "fault" for any of the reasons given.

My point was: that the last time ALPA & NW Mgmt were deadlocked, the previous Administration sent Bruce Lindsay to "assist" in the negotiations. A deal was cut that afternoon.

This Administration is anti-labor, and would offer no such assistance. If fact, Dubya wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire, he just finished a Big Gulp, & had an overactive bladder.

320AV8R

 

[tubelcane]

320,

I was slightly kidding. I get tired of the its his fault crowd. Isn't it sad though the need for someone from the govt. to "assist" in getting a deal. Isn't that what the mediator is for?

 

[tubelcane]

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[DTW320]

320,

I was slightly kidding. I get tired of the its his fault crowd. Isn't it sad though the need for someone from the govt. to "assist" in getting a deal. Isn't that what the mediator is for?

There was no mediator by then. We were on strike. Lindsay told ALPA to deal or a PEB was not out of the question. He told NWA to deal if the words "Pacific routes" and "fifth freedom rights" meant anything to them.

 

[tubelcane]

Ok, I get it, Ill shut up now.