NWA pilots headed to Netjets?

[81Horse]

I personally feel that ALPA is in big trouble if they can't see fit to honor a striking Union even if they had previous axes to grind.

Are you aware of the recent history of the mechanics' union(s) at NWA -- and of the current union's extreme recalcitrance in cooperating with other employee groups to mitigate the give-backs damage?

There are people who feel NWA's current situation was precipitated by the mechanics' refusal to bargain on concessions -- and, of course, by the company's well-executed plan to replace them during the inevitable strike (at Dog-knows-what cost). NWA pilots might feel that the mechanics' union turned its back on all their coworkers -- and the airline -- months and months ago.

If another union group wishes to commit professional suicide, are you obligated to join them? I ask this question in all seriousness. I have had the disheartening experience of watching union members walk right by me and my picket sign, and I've thought about it for years -- I've concluded every strike is different, and you shouldn't expect any help.

 

[DTW320]

NWA Mechs crossed ALPA's line in 1998....you know, when the company was highly profitable and the pilots were asking for a 3% annual raise?

AMFA said the pilots recent paycuts should be used to give THEM a raise.

Refused to sign the confidentiality agreement so that they could see the company books. Maintained that NWA was, in fact, in good $ shape.

Signed a contract that allowed 38% outsourcing in exchange for big raise.

Glad that you NJ guys are feelin good about yourselves

 

[ghostrider64]

DTW we aren't gloating as you are inferring. We just are a group that as a whole respects all Unions and is willing to go through our own hell to support them. Try DET-MEM-SEA on swa(and I LOVE swa) instead of first class on NWA sometime.

What is happening in your house we have no knowledge of. Personally I'm sorry you have such a dark cloud on the horizon.

But like it or not, many of us Teamsters feel as though you really couldn't have cared less about us in the past. SO why is it now that your MEC bypassed ours and went directly to the MANAGEMENT to secure preferential interviews? This suddenly becomes our business.

Some of us, hell many of us wonder how you will support our house? As a temporary check or an all out Union brother?

As a member of Local 1108 would you support the Mechanics strike at NWA?

These become gray areas that we would like addressed.

 

[Hawker dude]

NWA Mechs crossed ALPA's line in 1998....you know, when the company was highly profitable and the pilots were asking for a 3% annual raise?

AMFA said the pilots recent paycuts should be used to give THEM a raise.

Refused to sign the confidentiality agreement so that they could see the company books. Maintained that NWA was, in fact, in good $ shape.

Signed a contract that allowed 38% outsourcing in exchange for big raise.

Glad that you NJ guys are feelin good about yourselves

Dude, you just don't get it. you need to back all unions. what is happening today in the airlines and all over is because people like you will not back all unions. we need to stand together.

You are also the guy that talks all his S*&t and then shops at Wall mart without thinking twice about it, but if Pinnacle takes some of your routes you can't figure out what happened.

 

[DTW320]

Dude, you just don't get it. you need to back all unions. what is happening today in the airlines and all over is because people like you will not back all unions. we need to stand together.

You are also the guy that talks all his S*&t and then shops at Wall mart without thinking twice about it, but if Pinnacle takes some of your routes you can't figure out what happened.

Dude,

I'm that guy? Gee, I didn't know we were aquainted. Did we go to college together or somethin? What "S*&t" am I talkin bro? When I flew commuter we fly a lot of WalMart folks down to Arkansas. I guess I should have walked off those flights? I assume you NJ guys screen all corporate customers for union friendly business tactics before taking them anywhere? I don't know, I'm just asking....and pointing out your hypocrisy IF you don't do that.

A strike is a tactical nuke. Sometimes it makes sense to use it and other times it is just not the right tactic. If it was always the right tactic then there would ALWAYS be some airline group on strike 365/year because there will always be someone making more than someone else. When a group like AMFA takes the positions that it did and refused to apply even basic common sense in the situation we all found ourselves in at NWA at the time, I won't support unreasoned suicide bomber tactics. I'm sure that lemmings running off the cliff have a great sense of brotherhood at that moment. Doesn't change the fact that it is the wrong thing to do at the wrong time.

I walked the line in 1998 and watched NWA mechanics flow into the hangars.
Don't preach to me about "standing together" Dude.....

 

[Lear70]

News Flash: Northwest MEC walked away from the negotiating table, saying they were deadlocked and would await the judge's ruling.

Management had no comment other than to say they expected the judge to rule "in the near future".

No info from the judge was available.

 

[DTW320]

DTW we aren't gloating as you are inferring. We just are a group that as a whole respects all Unions and is willing to go through our own hell to support them. Try DET-MEM-SEA on swa(and I LOVE swa) instead of first class on NWA sometime.

What is happening in your house we have no knowledge of. Personally I'm sorry you have such a dark cloud on the horizon.

But like it or not, many of us Teamsters feel as though you really couldn't have cared less about us in the past. SO why is it now that your MEC bypassed ours and went directly to the MANAGEMENT to secure preferential interviews? This suddenly becomes our business.

Some of us, hell many of us wonder how you will support our house? As a temporary check or an all out Union brother?


As a member of Local 1108 would you support the Mechanics strike at NWA?

These become gray areas that we would like addressed.

What is happening in your house we have no knowledge of.

But yet you think it's justified to pass judgement on the decision our MEC made regarding the AMFA strike. My previous comments only scratched the surface of the issues with AMFA at the time.

SO why is it now that your MEC bypassed ours and went directly to the MANAGEMENT to secure preferential interviews? This suddenly becomes our business.

I am not on the MEC and frankly have never heard of this pref interview issue before reading it here. If it "suddenly becomes your business" then I assume your contract has a section devoted to hiring standards and your union's input into them. Exercise it. Threaten to strike if it comes to pass.

As a member of Local 1108 would you support the Mechanics strike at NWA?

Yes. Your local decided to support it(was there a vote?). Mine didn't(no vote). Why paint every NW pilot with the same broad brush?

Here's a ? for you: If your local had decided to ignore this issue as a group how many individual NJ pilots would have refused, on their own, to ride NWA because of the AMFA situation, even if it meant missing multiple trips and getting fired? What if it meant NJ would go CH11 or even CH7 as a result? Not realistic? Many other ways for you guys to get to and from? True....for NJ pilots. Not true for NWA pilots. It's easy to pick your battles when there are lots of other choices.

 

[Diesel]

So one of your choices are for your union to go to our managment and bypass yet another union?

 

[DTW320]

So one of your choices are for your union to go to our managment and bypass yet another union?

How have we bypassed your union? Does your union decide who gets interviewed at NJ? I'm not being a smartass, I'm really just askin. Like I said, I'VE not heard of this before now. Not on the MEC and not sure what went down about who contacting who....If you guys have that much power over the corporation's hiring this should not be a problem to get it nixed....

 

[ghostrider64]

Nevermind. I'm sure NWA will come out of all of this smelling like a rose, a vibrant profitable company that will never furlough again or ask for concessions and no NWA pilot will ever need to think about life like us lowly Teamsters again. Let alone actually working with us. Untill you turn 60 of course then you wont care because you'll be financially set and it will only be a part time job for you.

BTW our contract gives all of us the option to honor any picket line or not. No vote needed. Do you have a clause like this in yours?

And no I don't shop at Walmart, I prefer to give my hard earned $ to a corporation that respects it's employees and their Union. It's called Costco.



PS perhaps you might ask your MEC to send our little MEC a note that says we look forward to working with you. Just in case. Or not.

 

[DTW320]

Nevermind. I'm sure NWA will come out of all of this smelling like a rose, a vibrant profitable company that will never furlough again or ask for concessions and no NWA pilot will ever need to think about life like us lowly Teamsters again. Let alone actually working with us. Untill you turn 60 of course then you wont care because you'll be financially set and it will only be a part time job for you.

BTW our contract gives all of us the option to honor any picket line or not. No vote needed. Do you have a clause like this in yours?

And no I don't shop at Walmart, I prefer to give my hard earned $ to a corporation that respects it's employees and their Union. It's called Costco.


PS perhaps you might ask your MEC to send our little MEC a note that says we look forward to working with you. Just in case. Or not.

Typical flamebait response that makes-up things that were never even remotely debated in the thread....because it sounds better. Whatever makes you feel more like a man dude.... No Costco's where I live.
PS. Your money is no harder earned than anyone else's..

 

[81Horse]

... Untill you turn 60 of course then you wont care because you'll be financially set ...

Wow -- thanks for setting my mind at ease, ghostrider! The Spouse was getting a little concerned, what with the pension being in serious jeopardy, and the whole airline going down the tubes and all.

Guess we can sleep easy tonight, and take our house off the market!

 

[ghostrider64]

No problem 81horse seems most of the over 60's wives can't stand them around the house that much and send them back on the road. Kind of like a vacation if you have the right frame of mind. Fortunately we are hiring.

 

[flyin4pennies]

F-UM,
They just can't seem to get their foots' out of their mouths' and as a matter of fact they just stick-um in deeper.
Don't give NWA pilots pref interviews.
At least us Flyi guys appreciated it instead of giving attitude.
It seems like the only thing that NWA guys have to offer NJ is attitude.
You'll have to put up with years of "well this is how we did it at Northwest so your doing it wrong".
F-UM. Let them sell cars or insurance. That should humble them.

P.S.
My views are simply that, MINE, I do not speek for anyone but myself!!

 

[PCL_128]

We just are a group that as a whole respects all Unions and is willing to go through our own hell to support them.

Really? That's interesting. Didn't the Teamsters just agree to represent the pseudo-SCABs at HoJet last week? Doesn't seem to be very respectful of the ALPA pilots at Trans States that are fighting this alter-ego attack.

 

[81Horse]

Nowhere in the above chain of posts did a NW pilot fail to appreciate a foot-in-the-door at NJ. Fact is, most NW pilots don't know about it -- and neither did you all. It first appeared in an email from and to NW furloughees. It hasn't got a dammed thing to do with a massive interview program if NW goes Tango Uniform, and it probably was never an official outreach of the NW MEC as a whole.

And ghostrider, it's The Spouse's pension we would like to see preserved as frozen (at least) -- and not slashed to PBGC levels. Do you find this funny? After over twenty years of service?

If you "respect all unions" as you claim, why do you not respect twenty years (and more) of contractual guarantees and benefits for NW pilots and their families? Why would you make an asshat joke like you did above?

 

[flyin4pennies]

Look

This post is filled with NJ pilots expressing their support for you and your fellow employees and is also filled with NW pilots questioning NJ pilot's good-will with skepticism and ill-will. I concider this failure to appreciate!
There are also NW pilots directing the blame for NWA current position at their FA's and mechanics.

What gives?

 

[Lear70]

Really? That's interesting. Didn't the Teamsters just agree to represent the pseudo-SCABs at HoJet last week? Doesn't seem to be very respectful of the ALPA pilots at Trans States that are fighting this alter-ego attack.

It's not an aviation-based Teamsters Local.

There's actually a letter out from one of the Teamster's MEC's basically bashing the Teamsters for aggreeing to represent them and asking them to reconsider their position of doing so.

I wouldn't bash the work that the NetJets MEC has done, their union has been a class act since the new team took over. I think OUR Association could use a little "spring cleaning" with new leadership in some key positions, but I digress.

ghostrider is right about one thing: a lot of age 60+ spouses kicked their retired airline husbands out the door to sit the panel when I was at Express One,,, and they were glad to go.

 

[Diesel]

The Citation X- Where airline pilots go to die.

PS this isn't a place where you can come and "hang" while your on strike just to go back later.

 

[Lear70]

The Citation X- Where airline pilots go to die.

ROFLMAO !!!

Too much like real work, eh?

How many furloughed USAirways guys came over there and how many are left? Just curious...

 

[Diesel]

Quite a few came over. Only some are left.

Something about lifting bags and getting coffee, catering, ice, and lav didn't suit most of them.

Those that are still here are having a blast.

 

[320AV8R]

This post is filled with NJ pilots expressing their support for you and your fellow employees and is also filled with NW pilots questioning NJ pilot's good-will with skepticism and ill-will. I consider this failure to appreciate

Where do NW pilots specifically question NJ pilot's good will ?

Where, specifically, do they respond with any sort of ill will ?

Fundamental differences exist over the AMFA situation, between both pilot groups. But I have not seen any skepticism or ill will from NW pilots directed at the NJ pilots. Can you post some examples ?

I have heard nothing but great things about the NJ operation. Anyone hired there would appreciate the job..... NW pilots included. Statements depicting NW guys showing up at NJ & thinking they're superior are inaccurate, at best. All groups have their 2%, it seems like you guys like to consider our entire pilot group in this category. That's too bad, since there are a lot of good guys here.

320AV8R

 

[DTW320]

Fundamental differences exist over the AMFA situation, between both pilot groups. But I have not seen any skepticism or ill will from NW pilots directed at the NJ pilots. Can you post some examples ?

Come on 320AV8R get with the program!! Didn't you know that there are RUMORS floating around NJ that our J/S dude looked at their J/S dude the wrong way! And the RUMOR that our entire MEC flipped off their Teamster dude, went straight to Mr. Buffet's office and signed a deal for any NWA furlough to go straight to the left seat of the BBJ? I mean, what more evidence do you need of the vast conspiracy? Geeezz........:nuts:

 

[flyin4pennies]

I call Bull Shist on this one. I see NJ pilots all the time on my flights.

Skepticism, Need I say more? Your doubting the integrity of NJ pilots!!!

 

[DTW320]

Ghostrider!! This just has to Suck!

And no I don't shop at Walmart, I prefer to give my hard earned $ to a corporation that respects it's employees and their Union. It's called Costco.

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Based on your previous positions I assume you will be refusing to ride on Netjet flights now.

 

[Diesel]

So what? We had major losses this year. Oh that's right we ferry planes across the country with no pax. Pay 80 bucks a qt of oil and fly airplanes to our hba's instead of getting overtime.

Unlike the airlines though nobody seems to care.