NWA pilots: a step in the right direction

[CFIT]

Oh

Now I see it.

You drive a bus.

Man, you are so cool.

wad

 

[Rossa]

So, is scope going to stay at 55 seats? Because there are rumors that the language your MEC is using has changed to "more than 76 seats will be done by mainline pilots". If scope remains at 55, why use language that suggests it will be otherwise?
Not trying to stir the pot, just need clarification.
One other thing, striking would only hurt the mainline guys - mngt will liquidate the whole thing in a heartbeat and all those co(k-su(ker lawyers that run the show, will leave with HUGE bonuses!!!
By the way, could anything have been done to prevent Steenland et al from becoming top-dawg?

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Yeah, there's an idea. Buy 200 ERJ 170's and give half to 9E and the other half to Newco. At 9E they will have 76 seats and Newco will have 77. Now they can play fleet wars with 1 seat. There is no negotiations, we have taken our cuts and thats that.

 

[TinGoose1]

How can you NWA guys think that flying 100 seats for regional rates is holding the line? You guys are making the situation worse by bidding down to the feeder level. Do you think that the whipsaw will get better or worse if their are three feeders instead of two? I once heard a story about a man who asked a girl if he would sleep with him for 10 million dollars. She said "for ten million dollars sure, but I know you don't have 10 million dollars." The man replied, "ya but now that I know what you are, lets work out a price." If you guys think that flying those aircraft at regional rates is holding the line, maybe NWA should go belly up. Holding the line would be not giving up scope, and flying those aircraft for MAJORS wages. The last thing we need right now is to start wage fighting with the regionals. Who do you think is going to win that fight? Can you take a $100,000 pay cut? Do you honestly think that you can compete with someone who makes $25,000? I'm sure a lot of those regional guys still live at home. I however have a family to support and a house to pay for. If you guys over at the "red tail" get your way, maybe this undercutting will trickle my way causing me to take the pay cut and move back in with my folks. I hope you guys think this stuff through a little more before you vote.

 

[QXpeon]

whomever accepts 55+ seat a/c without the use of nwa pilots, we strike.

You strike and lose your job just like your mechanics.

Good one.

 

[DTW320]

You strike and lose your job just like your mechanics.

Good one.

So what? If I wanted to make commuter wages I would have never left my commuter. If that's all that can be gotten at NWA it will be time to move on and do something else. The vast majority of folks I know feel the same way. That's why the strike threat is real.....and the judge and the creditors committee, who have the ability to demand new management, know it.

 

[DTW320]

Can you take a $100,000 pay cut? Do you honestly think that you can compete with someone who makes $25,000?

25k/year? Over on the Jetblue threads they assure me that they make 85K first year . Seriously, as bad as it is, Jetblue has probably set the bar with the E190 rates.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Very possible....hoping that pending legislation will help there.

So how much do you give to ALPA-PAC? :beer:

 

[AA717driver]

Come on, guys. Let's make up. This isn't what it seems at all. You just don't see the advantage of one list. Just look what it's done for AA/AE... Er, uh, bad example.

But anyway, you commut... er, excuse me, Reeeegional pilots, have to look at the big picture. A healthy Amer... I mean, Northwest is good for everyone. You guys may have to take a small hit (1000 jobs?! ) for the good of "OUR" company. "OUR" company. Doesn't that make you feel like part of the team?

Just remember as you file for unemployment, "You'll get yours one day". TC

 

[DTW320]

So how much do you give to ALPA-PAC? :beer:

Century Club past 5 years. You?

 

[saabservant]

It is in our best interest if any nwa flying is done by pilots currently on the seniority lists of nwa, mesaba, and pinnacle. Shutting the door to further outsourcing is our collective goal.
If nwa can't do their business with the approximately 7000 pilots already in the system, then they should be shut down or replaced by the court.
That is the point DTW320 is trying to make, I think. And I agree. The changes will be painful for many, but that is business.
For us at the airlink to whine about this or that is pure denial. We have NO security or career progression in the current system, and less under nwa mgmts. proposals.

 

[320AV8R]

NWA pilots seek to end outsourcing, and are not budging on the scope argreement.

We intend to fight any outsourcing "argreement", & all agreements as well.

Proposing a new deal that takes mainline pilots, and transfers them to a regional division under the NWA ALPA contract.

That's not even a sentence.

Joining together the mainline and regional pilots on one list.

Not a sentence either. There is NO proposal for a unified mainline / regional list. What is your source for this repeated claim ?

Under this unity, I believe we can take a step in the right direction to save this profession. Although, this will place many hardships on the current regional pilots, as over 1000 are expected to be furloughed as a result.

See comments above. There is no unified list. Cohen wants to create NEWCO SEPERATE from Pinnacle & Mesaba. Remember the great job he did with MidAtlantic ?

http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=164799

320AV8R

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Century Club past 5 years. You?

Since 2001. Cut back on a couple of beers to make the Capitol Club in 2005.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

We intend to fight any outsourcing "argreement", & all agreements as well.



That's not even a sentence.



Not a sentence either. There is NO proposal for a unified mainline / regional list. What is your source for this repeated claim ?



See comments above. There is no unified list. Cohen wants to create NEWCO SEPERATE from Pinnacle & Mesaba. Remember the great job he did with MidAtlantic ?

http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=164799

320AV8R

Sorry, there is supposed to be a semi colon in between those. I will provide some information later that supports my claim.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

We intend to fight any outsourcing "argreement", & all agreements as well.
. There is NO proposal for a unified mainline / regional list. What is your source for this repeated claim ?

See comments above. There is no unified list. Cohen wants to create NEWCO SEPERATE from Pinnacle & Mesaba. Remember the great job he did with MidAtlantic ?

What are the pros and cons of a Unified Brand List?

IOW- any NWA flying will be done by NWA pilots? Too simple? Or too complex?

 

[DwayneWorthless]

Who said anything about a single list that includes the Regional Pukes. Hell, they aren't even real Pilots. Most are just High School graduates that are one step away from being Whitetrash. ALPA plans to fly ALL NWA flying. We'll get a Fair Payscale now and renegotiate later. Imagine a world of only Legacy Pilots. Now don't forget to pay your DUES.

 

[320AV8R]

I will provide some information later that supports my claim.

Great. Here's some that supports mine.........

The new carrier plans to purchase or lease about 60 70-seater and 45 100-seater aircraft. Northwest is looking at the Embraer 170/190 and the Bombardier CRJ700/900 models.

According to the newsletter, Northwest competitors are already using these new jets to fly some of Northwest's key domestic routes at significantly lower cost.

The new carrier would become a Northwest regional Airlink partner with Mesaba Airlines and Pinnacle Airlines, which operate 34- to 50-seat regional aircraft.

If you need the entire article :

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060105/BIZ/601050389

320AV8R